Why car drivers DO NOT see cyclists

flecc

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Sometimes links will disappear quickly, because the admin of the website linked to, doesn't want the extra traffic due to increased costs. Therefore save the page you want linked to, using the Wayback Machine. Thereafter the linked to information will be there for (allegedly) forever in the Internet Archive. Voila! No need to edit or replace links.


Thanks for the suggestion, but no good for what I mentioned. Unfortunately both national and to a lesser extent local governments have a nasty habit of changing the links, so even where I still have the link it's dead.

True of http://eur-lex.europa.eu links too.

That's why I need access to the original post to edit in a replacement link.
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Plas man

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All the banging on about motor vehicles getting bigger - why don’t you lot get bigger , fit a side car instead of a trailer , then motorists won’t overtake on to another oncomming vehicle risking a head on …. O‘ and wear some hi is gear
 

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Thanks for the suggestion, but no good for what I mentioned. Unfortunately both national and to a lesser extent local governments have a nasty habit of changing the links, so even where I still have the link it's dead.

True of http://eur-lex.europa.eu links too.

That's why I need access to the original post to edit in a replacement link.
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If it's bookmarked, the bookmark in the browser may have keywords which may help your search. When you do find a replacement link, get the Wayback Machine to save it, and link to that saved page from whatever post you're updating. Then pedelecers will be able to see your posts for as long as this forum remains, and the page(s) is/are saved on the Wayback Machine. I expect the Wayback Machine to be online longer, so it might be a good idea to also save the forum page(s), after editing the posts.
 
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I893469365902345609348566

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All the banging on about motor vehicles getting bigger - why don’t you lot get bigger , fit a side car instead of a trailer , then motorists won’t overtake on to another oncomming vehicle risking a head on …. O‘ and wear some hi is gear
A sidecar is a fantastic idea, I'll get welding right away! But possibly illegal on pedelecs.
 

matthewslack

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Have you recorded photos only? If so, many video editing programs can import photos as frames, to output at a X fps video. Such incidents should be made available, to widely be seen on Youtube imho. I'd certainly like to see them.
I don't know if this is accessible, if so the bit at the end is quite unbelievable.


The driver might be quite easy to find from the info on the van!

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I893469365902345609348566

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I don't know if this is accessible, if so the bit at the end is quite unbelievable.


The driver might be quite easy to find from the info on the van!

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Downloaded. It's stupid to include your year of birth in your email address. We could all send him emails. Or someone could sign him up to thousands of spam messages a day with a single action ( ;) ) With a large flat surface like that passing fast and close, you could be dragged into his wake.

It's quite often that drivers misjudge my speed while they're overtaking ahead of obstacles or traffic, even though I'm travelling under 15.5mph.

 

matthewslack

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Ok, sounds like that is not working video wise, so here are images at 0.25 second intervals of that van.

More than a little bit naughty.

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flecc

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If it's bookmarked, the bookmark in the browser may have keywords which may help your search. When you do find a replacement link, get the Wayback Machine to save it, and link to that saved page from whatever post you're updating. Then pedelecers will be able to see your posts for as long as this forum remains, and the page(s) is/are saved on the Wayback Machine. I expect the Wayback Machine to be online longer, so it might be a good idea to also save the forum page(s), after editing the posts.
It's not that having a new link is a problem, I always get those ok. It's that I cannot edit a post in here after 24 hours to insert it.

Worse still is that this forum had changed hosts a couple of times with large numbers of earlier posts lost.
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I893469365902345609348566

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It's not that having a new link is a problem, I always get those ok. It's that I cannot edit a post in here after 24 hours to insert it.

Worse still is that this forum had changed hosts a couple of times with large numbers of earlier posts lost.
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Maybe an admin could help edit the older posts? All posts are held in a database(s), which can be edited by someone with a high enough level of access. Live links would be useful for this forum's visitors. There's a strong case for co-operation, particularly as they're stickies.
 
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flecc

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Maybe an admin could help edit the older posts?
Yes they have already helped a couple of times. The site isn't continually monitored though so getting this done can be a hassle,

I wouldn't want to attempt to keep all the links up to date in my over 51,000 posts!

Longer term members trust me from past long experience when I post information. Demanding links is something that only happens with newer members like yourself.

However, to be honest I'm finding this forum so dead now and increasingly unpleasant, I will probably do like so many already have and desert. I've plenty else to keep me busy and interested.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-63492215


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According the the survey that Panorama did;

"one in three drivers think cyclists shouldn’t be on the road at all"

"one in four admitted deliberately driving too close to them"

So one might assume from that a minimum of 25% of drivers are not concerned about injuring cyclists.

So nothing to worry about really.
 
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soundwave

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the owners should have sold this site long ago or at least changed the name as most ppl wont know what a pedelec even is but say ebike and most get what it is.

tho over the last 15 years on all the other forums im on have just got smaller and smaller esp ones like hexus hard forums ect for computer stuff.

but if the owners of the site dont know how to code and no mods either to sort out any problems i just cant see how they brake even on a site like this.

just look at emtb forums they spam themselves with AdSense adds and force you to pay to get rid of them but a add block works just fine lol.
 

flecc

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-63492215

According the the survey that Panorama did;

"one in three drivers think cyclists shouldn’t be on the road at all"

"one in four admitted deliberately driving too close to them"

So one might assume from that a minimum of 25% of drivers are not concerned about injuring cyclists.

So nothing to worry about really.
I'm sure you're more intelligent than this and realise why programs like Panorama exist. They deliberately stir up trouble to make them newsworthy.

The cycling presenter opened the program by saying that the vast majority of drivers are decent and reasonable people. That being the case, how can 25% be not concerned about injuring cyclist? It's obviously a lie.

I can believe a high proportion think cyclists should not be on the road, wishful thinking due to the inconvenience of bikes. But that is all it is, they know it will never happen, so the thought is harmless. I wish everyone else was off the roads so I could have them entirely to myself, as they largely were for me in the 1950s, but I accept them as they are.

I don't for one moment believe one in four admitted deliberately driving too close to them. Another lie created by adding the word "deliberately", to create the impression that it was wilfully harmful rather than seen as necessary on our confined roads.
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soundwave

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its all going to shite round here 16 year old girls robbing shops at knife point and if you dare ride a bike and get ran over you will get stabbed as well.


25 years ago i could go up town on a Sunday on my race bike and not see anyone let alone any shops open not even supermarkets.

msm and ceo corporations have now taken over and it is all about the money and our data just look at the Muppets we pay to run our country for them and not for us and there ceo masters profits that lobby them to make laws to get away with what they like.


so why does the bbc not cover this fact, because it is not there agenda.
 
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The cycling presenter opened the program by saying that the vast majority of drivers are decent and reasonable people. That being the case, how can 25% be not concerned about injuring cyclist? It's obviously a lie.
A majority is over 50%. 25% is also defined. "Vast" is undefined, but 75% can be considered "Vast".
 

flecc

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Omitting 'vast' and just saying 'the majority' might have been more balanced.
What is balanced is realising that we don't have 25% unconcerned about injuring a cyclist.

Believing that we do is unbalanced, warped, a loss of reason.
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trevor brooker

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Through my whole life I've always avoided cycling after dark whenever possible. Our roads, their lighting, cycle lighting and even motor vehicle lighting have usually fallen far short of the task of truly safe passage for a cyclist.

And as we age, the muscles controlling iris closure slow. That means intermittent brief pools of darkness after each instance of being dazzled, a potential real danger for a small object like a pedestrian or cyclist who could be hit unseen by an elderly driver in those moments.

For that reason and as previously reported in here, I now will not drive after dark under any circumstance.
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I'm obviously not part of the majority as I prefer to cycle at night.
I only cycle to go to the shops, so no need to look at the views.
During the evening there is less road traffic and I have found that overtaking vehicles allow more room, presumably because it's more difficult to judge distances at night.
But I have modified my bike so that I do not only have a single central light, but rather also have flashing leds at handlebar width at both edges front & back.
That way other vehicles can see I have a width & not just a moving vertical pole, which is what the eye & brain see when looking at most bikes.
I also have to amend my setup when travelling on unlit country roads, where I attach a motorbike headlight, so I can use full beam to see properly & dip it for oncoming vehicles. The advantage is that the main beam is the same brightness as other cars & when you dip so do they.
 
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