Which FS MTB?

[bebbe]

I am on my way to buy me a electric FS MTB (freeride). But I have a little trouble chosig the right one.

My demands is price around 5000 euro. 350W engine (or more). And built from god parts (suspension, gears....).

I have been looking on the Haibike fullseven RX. And one bike from KTM. But what more is there to find?

 

[EddiePJ]

Why do you need the 350w or more?

 

[bebbe]

I think the power from 250W lose it's "breath" in steep hills.

I have a commuter bike now that use 250W engine and I would like to have more power when going uphills. On the road 250W is enough but on FS MTB i want more power.

Sure I can take a 250W and "dongle" it. But that makes the display show wrong and the engine rev to it's limit. Better to have it stop help at 45km/h. But at only 25km/h on the 250W I think it's easier to loose momentum on the uphills.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

The 350w Bosch motor has the same power as the 250w one for climbing hills. The motor is the same. The only difference is that the 350w one doesn't have a 25 km/h speed limit. The dongle won't help you climb hills.

 

[bebbe]

If the engine stop at 25 it will stop assist when I reach 26. The power the engine need to get up to 25 again (in a hill) is to much for the engine to handle. But if the engine stops att 45 I will never reach that limit. So the power is now enough.

It's the same thing as on my 250 engine when I dongled it. As it is now it does not stop assist when I reach 25. Infact it will not stop untill I reach the engines rpm limit. But in ordinary commuting I use less of the battery then I did without the dongle but with around 5km/h higher average. This is because I now can ride with less amont of assist because I have the "momentum" of speed to get me up hills.

Surely I can use full assist and get an average of around 40km/h but that will Drain my battery to fast.

When the engine is restrictead to 25 this is consuming more energy because you cant use the momentum from you speed.

 

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[bebbe]

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Are you interested in the perfect balance of power to weight?
Are you looking for the perfect package of design, engineering and art in a game-changing mode of transportation with a
strong bite?

Tthe M1 Spitzing is perhaps the most advanced e-bike available today. Releasing large amounts of power from a small light weight package that is still a true bicycle in every sense of the term - yet something more.

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Sounds like fun [emoji106]

But what about the price?

 

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http://www.motostrano.com/M1-Sporttechnik-Erzberg-E-Bike-p/m1erzdfxa.htm

8500 euro guess i blew the budget by a tad

 

[soundwave]

this has 350w
http://www.ktm-bikes.at/en/bikes/e-bike.html?action=bike_details&bike_id=62&cHash=83c1bd6a7314caa260aa47515b74f719

 

[bebbe]

this has 350w
http://www.ktm-bikes.at/en/bikes/e-bike.html?action=bike_details&bike_id=62&cHash=83c1bd6a7314caa260aa47515b74f719

That one is a hot candidate!

But it has the 400Wh battery. The Haibike comes with the new 500Wh. That is a really nice package.

But the KTM has more "appeal" [emoji39]

 

[bebbe]

http://www.motostrano.com/M1-Sporttechnik-Erzberg-E-Bike-p/m1erzdfxa.htm

8500 euro guess i blew the budget by a tad

Yes. Really nice package but in that range there are many nice bikes ( like the stealth bomber).

 

[soundwave]

just wait as it will be updated ktm posts on here pm him ask when it will be available with a 500w bosch. and new cx motor.

 

[soundwave]

Yes. Really nice package but in that range there are many nice bikes ( like the stealth bomber).

you def get pulled on a bomber on uk roads as it just looks like a moto x bike and its 52 kilos

sod that

 

[EddiePJ]

I've certainly not yet found that the standard Performance line motor runs out of "breath" on steep climbs. I'd run out of breath before the motor does on steep climbs. You still need to be able to cycle past the cut off point to take any advantage of speed, and on a steep climb it isn't going to happen. Just one example 10.9 miles of solid climbing. You would have to be a TDF rider on an e-mtb, to have done better than this. https://www.strava.com/activities/350379081

A couple more examples of a reasonably steep and long climbing. https://www.strava.com/activities/351746070 and https://www.strava.com/activities/346040757

Another consideration is what discipline of use that the bike is going to be put to, and where. A FS bike is just a waste of money if the sole use is for climbing, as you would need to lock the suspension out if you want to stand a chance at quick progress. A hardtail e-mtb would be far better suited for this role. There is plenty on different makes to choose from in that respect

 

[bebbe]

Yes. Really nice package but in that range there are many nice bikes ( like the stealth bomber).

you def get pulled on a bomber on uk roads as it just looks like a moto x bike and its 52 kilos

sod that

I agree. The stealth bomber is just a little to much.

 

[bebbe]

I've certainly not yet found that the standard Performance line motor runs out of "breath" on steep climbs. I'd run out of breath before the motor does on steep climbs. You still need to be able to cycle past the cut off point to take any advantage of speed, and on a steep climb it isn't going to happen. Just one example 10.9 miles of solid climbing. You would have to be a TDF rider on an e-mtb, to have done better than this. https://www.strava.com/activities/350379081

A couple more examples of a reasonably steep and long climbing. https://www.strava.com/activities/351746070 and https://www.strava.com/activities/346040757

Maybe wrong said from me. But the 250 will most certain suffer from it's speed limits.

On my trails today I usually avarage around 23-25km/h (MTB with me as an engine [emoji4] ). With a 25km/h limitation I think the bike will only feel heavy and "slugish".

 

[Fordulike]

Maybe wrong said from me. But the 250 will most certain suffer from it's speed limits.

On my trails today I usually avarage around 23-25km/h (MTB with me as an engine [emoji4] ). With a 25km/h limitation I think the bike will only feel heavy and "slugish".

See if you can test a Haibike at your nearest stockist. You may be surprised that it's not the heavy Behemoth that you think it is.

 

[soundwave]

what bike do you have and what dongle?

 

[EddiePJ]

Yes. Really nice package but in that range there are many nice bikes ( like the stealth bomber).

Legalities of use aside, If you are talking of bikes in that standing, I'd rather have a Conway E-Rider. Sadly they have now lost the plot on the style front though.

http://www.conway-bikes.de/e-rider-extreme-2/?lang=en

http://www.e-rider-shop.de/index.php?language=en


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[Fordulike]

If you are talking of bikes in that standing, I'd rather have a Conway E-Rider. Sadly they have now lost the plot on the style front though.

http://www.e-rider-shop.de/index.php?language=en

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Crikey, that's the conjoined twin of Behemoth