Hi guys, I’m knew to E-bikes and struggling to pick a bike. I’d really appreciate your thoughts……. I’ve looked at entry level (Haibike All Mtn 3) or a bit more and the Cube Stereo Hybrid 140 HPC Pro 750. Any thoughts please guys?
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there are other brands that use the Yamaha motor but if you want to dongle it you will need a bigger front sprocket and they make the frames in such a way on some you cant go any bigger at the front.
giant use the yamaha motor but make there own controllers batts bms and displays and lock it down with can bus programming same as bosch ect.
giant use the yamaha motor but make there own controllers batts bms and displays and lock it down with can bus programming same as bosch ect.
Ok thanks. I’m not sure I’ve looked or thought about wanting to dongle it. Just hoping to get a decent e-bike to have some fun on. I got to these two bikes as the Haibike was good on cost (forks look terrible though) and Cube looked decent spec
if you go bosch with the new smart motors a dongle wont be a option if you can even fit a bigger front chain ring.
it wont damage the motor but it will half the range so about 25 miles from a 500w batt.
out of warranty there is peter but he will not service any shitmano motors.
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it wont damage the motor but it will half the range so about 25 miles from a 500w batt.
out of warranty there is peter but he will not service any shitmano motors.
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Ok thanks for the info . I’m really just after what peoples thoughts are on the two bikes shown and of either are considered decent options.if you go bosch with the new smart motors a dongle wont be a option if you can even fit a bigger front chain ring.
it wont damage the motor but it will half the range so about 25 miles from a 500w batt.
out of warranty there is peter but he will not service any shitmano motors.
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Can you be a bit more specific of what you actually want it for, these things come in horses for courses.
Then there is any need to transport it, are you uses going to involve needing to carry it in say a car or even more challenging on buses?
Are you going to need to carry the shopping home, other than what is tolerable in a rucksack?
These are among the factors that guide bike selection.
Then there is any need to transport it, are you uses going to involve needing to carry it in say a car or even more challenging on buses?
Are you going to need to carry the shopping home, other than what is tolerable in a rucksack?
These are among the factors that guide bike selection.
SW is obsessed with dongles. If, as you say, you just want a decent bike then either would be OK, just with the assistance limited to 15mph.
However, there are some things that you should be aware of. Yamaha and Bosch are both proprietry systems. They use canbus communications between the battery, controller and motor. The consumer is locked out of this system. That means that, if anything goes wrong, you have to take the bike back to the dealer you bought it from. Although these guys have software access, if a motor fault occurs they are not allowed to work on it and have no option but to send the motor back to the manufacturer for repair/replacement. There have been stories of people being without their bikes for weeks, even months.
It also means that when the battery, inevitably, starts to decline, the only one that will fit and operate is the manufacturers replacement. These have consistantly cost double to treble the price of more generic batteries - even quality ones.
Once out of warranty you are on your own, bearing the full cost of any replacements.
The quality of other equipment (gears, brakes etc) seems OK but doesn't seem to justify the high original cost of these machines.
As said, horses for courses. Usage, budget, reliability, all play a part. High cost does not necesarily mean better.
However, there are some things that you should be aware of. Yamaha and Bosch are both proprietry systems. They use canbus communications between the battery, controller and motor. The consumer is locked out of this system. That means that, if anything goes wrong, you have to take the bike back to the dealer you bought it from. Although these guys have software access, if a motor fault occurs they are not allowed to work on it and have no option but to send the motor back to the manufacturer for repair/replacement. There have been stories of people being without their bikes for weeks, even months.
It also means that when the battery, inevitably, starts to decline, the only one that will fit and operate is the manufacturers replacement. These have consistantly cost double to treble the price of more generic batteries - even quality ones.
Once out of warranty you are on your own, bearing the full cost of any replacements.
The quality of other equipment (gears, brakes etc) seems OK but doesn't seem to justify the high original cost of these machines.
As said, horses for courses. Usage, budget, reliability, all play a part. High cost does not necesarily mean better.
On the other side of the picture for Bosch/Yamaha/Shimano, despite their canbus comms and locked down systems, they come with a comprehensive warranty usually 2 years on motor battery and e bits, and they are extremely well engineered.
Looked after, used and stored carefully, in most cases they will not go wrong, and if they do you are fully covered for 2 years. If they don't fail in two years, chances are they will go on until end of life of battery or motor. That is likely to be well in excess of 10,000 miles, which for many users is many years worth.
My bike is an outlier, at 8,700 miles in 18 months. It's four brothers and sisters have covered between 150 and 700 miles in the same time! A second hand one I'm thinking of buying is 306 miles in two years.
And mine rides like new, with 10% or so loss of battery capacity.
As far as spares go, on my Shimano there is no 'coding' of the components to each other. I can swap the battery, the motor unit, the display independently should I need to, and lightly used spares do come up from time to time on ebay. So if you end up with a failed several years old bike, chances are you will find a used motor / battery / display and be up and running again for not too much money.
Looked after, used and stored carefully, in most cases they will not go wrong, and if they do you are fully covered for 2 years. If they don't fail in two years, chances are they will go on until end of life of battery or motor. That is likely to be well in excess of 10,000 miles, which for many users is many years worth.
My bike is an outlier, at 8,700 miles in 18 months. It's four brothers and sisters have covered between 150 and 700 miles in the same time! A second hand one I'm thinking of buying is 306 miles in two years.
And mine rides like new, with 10% or so loss of battery capacity.
As far as spares go, on my Shimano there is no 'coding' of the components to each other. I can swap the battery, the motor unit, the display independently should I need to, and lightly used spares do come up from time to time on ebay. So if you end up with a failed several years old bike, chances are you will find a used motor / battery / display and be up and running again for not too much money.
In addition, there is the probability it will be purchased from a bona fide and enduring trader. So, bring potentially the benefits for claiming fault remedies under the CRA 2015, extending way longer than the warranty.
Not that all will endure nor that non branded kit purchases will necessarily not have cover under the Act, just that well established traders typically handle branded kit.
Chris spread your net wider than some of the machines you mentioned by looking at offerings from Firms that advertise on this Site . Woosh and Wisper to name two sell decent machines and offer good advice on here . Don`t forget to look at Chinese made machines at the budget end as they are reliable and the parts are easily available . I have three ranging from 3 to 12 years old and can vouch for them . My Brother has a 10 year old Woosh which is still on it`s original battery and still capable of 25 miles between charges .
I totally agree. My Woosh has withstood all sorts of abuse and still going well after 10 years. I would not dream of buying anything other than a Chinese bike.
Extremely well engineered surely its not realistic, many such systems have had many recalls and faults. They are complicated designs and work through the drivetrain so there are many failure points, they are the performance and premium end of ebikes so are effectively a niche of the overall market and yet make up a huge amount of issues reported in forums. The huge Specialized recall of Brose motors where some were failing in a week and the self-bricking Bosch batteries if left uncharged too long. Just being proprietary introduces a lot more failure points as digital handshaking between components becomes critical to their operation. I don't think its realistic at all to call them well engineered especially as many are quite lightweight designs which often causes compromises in overall durability. When you hear how much dealers have to invest in equipment just to sell Bosch ebikes its clear both dealers and end users are being milked for huge sums of money. I would think of them as heavily commercialised solutions, designs to maximise income for the company itself, exploit consumers financially as much as possible. I certainly don't see them as well engineered solutions. They are basically high cost throwaway products.
Yes of course.
I’m looking for an EBike that I will mainly use for off road riding around the forest. It’s not a commuter bike, just something for fun. Budget is £3k - £4.5k. I’d like something we decent enough components, which is why the Haibike turned me off a bit ref the suntour forks. Wondered if anyone had any experience with the two bikes shown, as would be keen to hear everyone’s thoughts.
Ok thanks. To be honest, I hadn’t heard of Haibike until I started looking at ebikes. No idea if they are good or bad, but it looked cool.
problem is these days in this price range the forks will be low end as well as the wheels so if you want to go hard off road then they will have to be changed or wont last 5 mins.
tho for the forest id go full sus or you will just regret it.
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tho for the forest id go full sus or you will just regret it.
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Thank you. Yes, was looking at the all trail 4 in honeydew. Looks good but forks low budget. The all mountain 3 looks grey, but reality is a turquoise which put me off. I’m not going to be riding them hard as I’m just a leisure biker, so probably take it out twice a week to the forest on relatively tame trails. Just wasn’t sure how good Haibike are? And of the choice, would you say the Cube Stereo is better?problem is these days in this price range the forks will be low end as well as the wheels so if you want to go hard off road then they will have to be changed or wont last 5 mins.
tho for the forest id go full sus or you will just regret it.
Haibike AllTrail 4 (27.5) Electric Bike 2023 – e-bikeshop.co.uk
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