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Depends how much it is....and what spec.....you are a bit sparse with the details John.......care to enlighten us a little ?
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Hi Lynda,Depends how much it is....and what spec.....you are a bit sparse with the details John.......care to enlighten us a little ?
Lynda
The link to the bike in the photo is here ANSMANN LIGHTRIDE PEDELEC - electric bikes and conversion kits
The ANSMANN Lightride has an exceptional warranty, 3 years on the battery and 4 years on the motor.
There is a lot more to a bike than the battery and motor, as some on this forum are realising, other components, ie wheels, forks, etc etc, are all actually very important to how a bike feels and rides, it's always worth looking at the full spec of any bike to see what the brand is cutting corners on to reach price point.
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Fair enough, if people want expensive, we can do that too
But as we are acutely aware, not everyone has deep pockets.
ANSMANN RS 29 £2999
ANSMANN RT 35 £2399
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Sorry, i wasnt taking about pricng, cheap or expensive.... You were saying best value, and cheap does not automatically equal best value. You have to look at a full bike and evaluate a lot before you can judge the value. Anyone could make an ebike and sell it for £400.00 but it is rubbish, never works and needs lots of upgrades it's not good value. Equally an expensive bike could have loads of bling parts that really aren't useful for most riders, so also wouldn't be good value.
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Frankly, I think the ANSMANN Lightride does represent good value and peace of mind for the buyer with a strong warranty which is unmatched..........unless someone can tell me different?
With many brands it is very difficult if not impossible to establish the warranty without a legal qualification and magnifying glass.
I'm not saying it isn't good value, but warrant and price don't dictate that. Spec, build quality, dealer support, component and frame quality, weight, range, availability of spares etc etc all impact on value... A lot more than price.
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Totally agree and I feel confident we can match those criteria too.
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If it were possible, I would edit the title of this thread and remove the typo then call it
What Is The Best Value European Electric Bike.
then call itWhat Is The Best Value European Electric Bike.
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Is there an "if" missing after the "but" and a comma missing after the "upgrades", or are you expressing a very narrow-minded biased view? My guess is the former.
For £1,200 you get an uninspiring design made up of a mixture of cheap branded and non-branded parts.
No wonder John emphasises the warranty, on paper it's the best thing about the bike.
But we all know the real worth of bike warranties, don't we?
So it's 'nul points' from me.
John,why do you refer to that Lightride bike as German?....a quick glance across the parts list seems to reveal pretty much the same bits as on my Eco or Liberty bikes....not sure what makes it German except perhaps the Germanic name.
What always gives these things away is the location of the EN15194 certificate....I am currently sitting alongside a 'Spanish' bike (well thats were it is supposed to be made) but the EN15194 certificates are from SGS Shanghai!!!!
Something about 'books and covers'
KudosDave
What always gives these things away is the location of the EN15194 certificate....I am currently sitting alongside a 'Spanish' bike (well thats were it is supposed to be made) but the EN15194 certificates are from SGS Shanghai!!!!
Something about 'books and covers'
KudosDave
Best value in my mind is AVE CH Edition with Scwalbe tyres, B&M lights, 8 alfine hub gears, Tranzx motor/battery for £1299
AVE CH Edition electric bikes folding bikes
However it is limited edition and there are only a few left now.
Not sure about Ansmann, great guarantee but when I rode them at Eurobike and NEC I was left dissapointed. Preferred A2B with Neodrive however they could really do with a more traditional style bike with the same drive system, this bike flew so much so that my collegue managed to do wheely.
I suppose value for me comes down to two things: spec of bike as well as how well it rides. Does not matter how good the components are if the sum of everything results in a dissapointing performance. However how a bike rides is very much individual choice e.g. some people prefer bikes with a torque sensor while others do not, some prefer crank drives other hub drive etc
Key thing is best value bike which is the best fit for the person.
AVE CH Edition electric bikes folding bikes
However it is limited edition and there are only a few left now.
Not sure about Ansmann, great guarantee but when I rode them at Eurobike and NEC I was left dissapointed. Preferred A2B with Neodrive however they could really do with a more traditional style bike with the same drive system, this bike flew so much so that my collegue managed to do wheely.
I suppose value for me comes down to two things: spec of bike as well as how well it rides. Does not matter how good the components are if the sum of everything results in a dissapointing performance. However how a bike rides is very much individual choice e.g. some people prefer bikes with a torque sensor while others do not, some prefer crank drives other hub drive etc
Key thing is best value bike which is the best fit for the person.
I wasn't expressing a narrow view, I was expressing one based on years and years of working in the bike trade, travelling around the world visiting trade shows and spending time with lots of dealers and customers. I stand by my statement that any ebike for less that £400 will be rubbish, and won't represent good value for the end consumer for a number of reasons.
Ktm don't make an ebike that they are prepared to put their name on for less than £1700.00. We fully appreciate that this is an expensive product, and that its not within everyone's budget.
However if you spend less than £400.00 I personally think you won't be getting a good bike. And by that I mean one you can use every day as a reliable for of transport.
I'm with your view John, after all, what is a bike for? If it rides ok and gets from A to B reliably it can be good value, regardless of whether the parts are from a "name" or not. Add that great warranty which assures that it will do those things and it's a winner.
"Names" don't always mean much, my over 20 year old £29 radio-linked watch will beat the timekeeping of any £10,000 plus Rolex, and will probably continue to do so in my grave 'til the battery runs out!
It would be possible to sell an ok e-bike for £500,but it would need certain caveats..first of all the guy getting the most profit would be the vat man.
1.It would need to be sold direct on the internet from a warehouse location (low rent/rates)
2. It could not be sold through dealers,no dealer margin available
3. It would need to be an Asian import in big numbers and one size
4. It would have limited warranty,there is no margin for free return to base guarantee
5. It would be as basic as possible,no lights/guards/kickstand
6. It would use the Shimano Tourney gears and Index shifter
7. It would use budget V brakes
8. It would use the 8-fun motor
9. It would use pod style battery,probably 36v x 8 Ah
But who would want one....for £200 more you could have a fully equipped e-bike with good components....but you can't have dealer support and a choice of styles and sizes,that adds another £400-£500,thats how we reach £1200.
KudosDave
1.It would need to be sold direct on the internet from a warehouse location (low rent/rates)
2. It could not be sold through dealers,no dealer margin available
3. It would need to be an Asian import in big numbers and one size
4. It would have limited warranty,there is no margin for free return to base guarantee
5. It would be as basic as possible,no lights/guards/kickstand
6. It would use the Shimano Tourney gears and Index shifter
7. It would use budget V brakes
8. It would use the 8-fun motor
9. It would use pod style battery,probably 36v x 8 Ah
But who would want one....for £200 more you could have a fully equipped e-bike with good components....but you can't have dealer support and a choice of styles and sizes,that adds another £400-£500,thats how we reach £1200.
KudosDave
the most expensive component in a sub £500 is the battery.
I have a French friend who bought a 400 Euro e-folder from Carrefour 4 years ago.
It run faultlessly every day for 4 years, the battery is 24V 6AH. It lost its capacity slowly over 4 years but it did not matter much because my friend (who lives at the top of a hill) only makes short trips to town and back.
It's perfectly possible to find a reliable runabout for not much money.
Current offers from carrefour:
Vélos électriques - Liste des modles Carrefour
I have a French friend who bought a 400 Euro e-folder from Carrefour 4 years ago.
It run faultlessly every day for 4 years, the battery is 24V 6AH. It lost its capacity slowly over 4 years but it did not matter much because my friend (who lives at the top of a hill) only makes short trips to town and back.
It's perfectly possible to find a reliable runabout for not much money.
Current offers from carrefour:
Vélos électriques - Liste des modles Carrefour
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