What has happened to the variety?

flecc

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If you look back on this forum 3 years ago you could read about what people thought about their Storck Raddar electric bikes or Wisper,Batribike,Haibike,Raleigh,Ebco. Now there are new entrants into the UK market including Roodog,Moustache,Byocycles,3e electric,Ansmann, Cube,Stevens,Gocycles,Green Zebra,M1,A2B,Momentum....there must be many others. But the forum seems to be dominated by Woosh,with the occasional splash of Cycleezee,Kalkhoff,Kudos,KTM
Oddly enough it's a return to the first year of the forum Dave, 2007/08. Then there were few e-bikes to choose from and one model dominated, the eZee Torq. A staggering 38% of the members had one, mainly due to it's performance, assisting to 22 mph and the way it did that very appealing. Many of the remaining members owned eZee Sprint models and the eZee Cadence and eZee Quando were also present, meaning it was mostly that one brand talked about.

The Giant Lafree models were also at the height of their popularity then, but their reliability meant few posts were necessary about them. Otherwise the minorities were mainly old style SLA Powabykes, Powacycle and some low cost Chinese bikes. Kit choices were minimal.

Most of today's brands simply didn't exist as e-bikes eight years ago, nor did proper off-road e-bikes, bottle batteries, variety of hub motors, many of today's battery chemistries and constructions. Full suspension scarcely existed and even suspension forks were rare.

The expansion in choice in all those areas began right at the end of 2007 and continued rapidly to 2012. Hence that liveliness you noted three years ago, generated by the exciting new choices constantly arriving. Now we are at the stage of being somewhat blasé, having got used to it all. The main problem many experience now is confusion due to too much choice and e-bikes not settling to a few accepted standards.
 
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Artstu

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I'm too busy riding mine. 3,000 miles in a year, and seeing if I can match or beat car journey times.

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flecc

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47 miles upwards! If you could do it in one go your e-bike could have visited a satellite. ;)
 
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103Alex1

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Because they have the hope that they'll get a little fitter by pedalling as well. They don't want to give themselves a heart attack, so they have to work their way in gently. It's rarely a case of only wanting transport.
... or maybe they've been temporarily relieved of their incomes or driving licences (or in some cases both :eek: :D!) and a scooter's out of reach ...
 

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hi all
I considered getting a ebike about 4 years ago, but the only people I spoke too had the older extremely heavyebikes with the huge battey, or a Viking step through. local Halfords ebike looked a bit cumbersome.
a storkx which someone had hired and costs &2500
now doing a google search for ebikes does not bring up a great deal of info on brands available

I did consider something from whoosh, (in my price range) but have no transport or reasonable way to get to there showrooms.

having joined pedelecs, I can see there are lots of choices/brands but most are too expensive for me.
in the end opted for vita uno from lebike company, I did not visit dealer as I would hanker after a more exotic ebike than I can afford.

I know a few local cycle mechanics ,but it seems that a premium is charged for anything ebike related.

thank you
 
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Don't forget the Tonaro. I see that they've got a 48v 500w version available in some other countries now. We used to talk about Tonaros a lot, which reminds me. I wonder how Lynda is?
 

Wisper Bikes

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It would be good to get all the new guys on board here at the forum. However, as I have found over the last few months, the market has exploded and most of us in the trade are working flat out on new bikes and keeping existing bikes flowing through,

I miss the forum and will endeavour to get here at least once a week.

All the best

David
 

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3 years ago there were at most times 30-50 members on the forum,I have just counted 14 members.
KudosDave
That's right Dave, I also think there were more members in the past then it is currently. Maybe that's not the right word but having it's a kind of the feeling that forum members seem to disappear or at least are not posting so much

All the best
Andrew
 

trex

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three years ago, most talks were centered on exotic and expensive bikes, mostly bought by hobbyists who wanted to talk about the technical advances that their bikes had, why these advances justified their high price. You've got lots of threads about Bionx, Panasonic and GoSwiss Drive then Bosch.
3 years on, crank drives are no longer the gold standard and good bikes that surpass the pulling power of the old expensive bikes of 3 year ago are now sold as cheap transports. If the bikes they buy for £1000 or less do the job, they don't see the need to talk about them. On the self build front, there were a lot of posts about the Cycle Analyst. Now, most kits come with an LCD, who wants to talk about the CA anymore?
 
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Wisper Bikes

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Good points Trex.

I believe other reasons for the fewer numbers of posters is the forum are:

1. It has became too openly commercial, frightening a lot of people off. It's one thing to post news worthy items and another to constantly plug your own product.

2. Squabbling between people with commercial interests may be fun for a few but again it does put people off posting.

3. Some comments manufactures receive are a little frustrating (often from others in the industry), we are all trying to do a good job. Most of us really do understand electric bikes well, it is all some of us have been doing for years, 10 hours a day often 6 days a week. And believe me no one in the UK is getting rich selling electric bikes!

I have to put my hands up to say I was as possibly as guilty as anyone else re the above, but always tried to keep it civilised.

I have always enjoyed the forum, and have gained massively through listening to the constructive, and sometimes not so constructive, criticisms from forum members. Now the FWG merger has settled down and we have our new bike ranges and models tied down, I will try and post more often.

Pedelecs is a great facility for us all, we don't want to lose it!

All the best

David
 
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I do wonder if there is such a thing as forum fatigue that affects those of us who have been contributors / readers for several years?

When it comes to enquiries for help with a problem, the same tireless (pause for comments about the use of that word) dedicated few will give their words of wisdom that have probably been repeated a hundred times before.

Then the question what bike should I buy is normally followed by a minor flood of trade members saying our whizz bang model is the best thing since sliced bread and will travel around the globe on one charge...........and it will as long as you don't switch the power on.

Another one is my bike is the dogs danglies, far superior to anything else on the market.....not that I have ever ridden another electric bike in my life and have no intention of ever doing so.

Or, I am having a serious problem with my bike, it won't climb Everest without pedalling so the entire brand must be rubbish and I advise everyone to avoid them.

Then there is the helpful advice given with all the best intentions, e.g. you don't need to spend any more than a hundred quid to buy a perfectly good electric bike, anymore than that and you are being ripped off, or your bike has stopped working, you just need to hit it with a hammer and it will fine

I could go on, but I am starting to get forum fatigue.
 

flecc

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I do wonder if there is such a thing as forum fatigue that affects those of us who have been contributors / readers for several years?
There definitely is. Over the whole seven and a half year life of the forum I've eased off into little contact on a number of occasions to get a rest from the routine and repetition.

Currently I do only a fraction of what I once did, specialising on areas where I have specific knowledge that can be helpful. Examples are the current thread on the Powacycle Windsor battery, Lafree e-bikes and Panasonic crank power units, plus many historic items.
 

oldtom

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When it comes to enquiries for help with a problem, the same tireless (pause for comments about the use of that word) dedicated few will give their words of wisdom that have probably been repeated a hundred times before.
You raised some good points there Aldby and although I'm only a novice member of this forum, I have read the pages regularly since 2008.

Sadly, some of the trade input is shameless and it appears that not all traders are advertising themselves correctly even though I thought it was mandatory to so do.

Repetition of advice for new members, whether it's which bike to buy or how to deal with a problem, does make boring reading for anyone who has visited the forum frequently but some of the contributions from certain members are equally mind-numbing. So many of the comments from old electricians, (who seem to have evolved into electronics engineers) are entirely superfluous and I'm sure I'm not the only one who is turned off by these 'chat-room queens'.

The search facility really needs to be streamlined I think, so that answers to most of the problems afflicting ebikes are easily found. The application of the technology is actually quite limited in its extent although some of these electronics wizards like to make it sound hyper-technical. To coin a much-hackneyed expression, 'It's not exactly rocket science.'

I'm grateful to the few retailers on board, including yourself, who exercise a degree of restraint and patience in their manner of attracting business and keeping their customers happy. Some others could learn from David Miall and yourself, John.

The UK ebike market seems to be on the up at the moment if I am to believe the hype but some of the prices being asked for nice bikes with a bit of electrical power attached are just ridiculous. Xipi and Alien won't be the only outfits to drop off the radar unless I'm very much mistaken and if bike sales really do take off big-time, maybe the likes of Evans', Halford's and some of the online biggies like Chain Reaction and Wiggle might get serious about marketing them. That could hurt!

Oh, and the other turn-off I find is long posts! ;)

Tom
 
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You raised some good points there Aldby and although I'm only a novice member of this forum, I have read the pages regularly since 2008.

Sadly, some of the trade input is shameless and it appears that not all traders are advertising themselves correctly even though I thought it was mandatory to so do.

Repetition of advice for new members, whether it's which bike to buy or how to deal with a problem, does make boring reading for anyone who has visited the forum frequently but some of the contributions from certain members are equally mind-numbing. So many of the comments from old electricians, (who seem to have evolved into electronics engineers) are entirely superfluous and I'm sure I'm not the only one who is turned off by these 'chat-room queens'.

The search facility really needs to be streamlined I think, so that answers to most of the problems afflicting ebikes are easily found. The application of the technology is actually quite limited in its extent although some of these electronics wizards like to make it sound hyper-technical. To coin a much-hackneyed expression, 'It's not exactly rocket science.'

I'm grateful to the few retailers on board, including yourself, who exercise a degree of restraint and patience in their manner of attracting business and keeping their customers happy. Some others could learn from David Miall and yourself, John.

The UK ebike market seems to be on the up at the moment if I am to believe the hype but some of the prices being asked for nice bikes with a bit of electrical power attached are just ridiculous. Xipi and Alien won't be the only outfits to drop off the radar unless I'm very much mistaken and if bike sales really do take off big-time, maybe the likes of Evans', Halford's and some of the online biggies like Chain Reaction and Wiggle might get serious about marketing them. That could hurt!

Oh, and the other turn-off I find is long posts! ;)

Tom
Hi Tom,

Aldby, that's a blast from the past;)

Thank you for your comments but I am not entirely blameless when it comes to promoting what we sell although I do try to practice restraint.

From experience I have learned that not only is the 'hard sell' a turnoff, something I can't stand myself, it doesn't generate sales and neither did the advertising banners that I used to have.

Conversely I am getting more hits to our website since I stopped advertising here.

I do however like to maintain a presence and try to help with issues or queries related to the brands that we sell.

I agree entirely that if the big retailers ever do get seriously involved, then minnows like Cyclezee will be wiped out although I can't ever envisage them getting involved conversion kits which a large part of our business.
 

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Hi Tom,
I agree entirely that if the big retailers ever do get seriously involved, then minnows like Cyclezee will be wiped out although I can't ever envisage them getting involved conversion kits which a large part of our business.
Hi John, I disagree with you re larger retailers. I believe what will happen, as in Germany and Holland, is the big guys will simply grow the market, more people will be aware of electric bikes due to the big retailer's marketing budgets. Smaller retailers may lose market share but will end up with a smaller slice of a larger cake. Hopefully this will balance or even be of benefit. There is still a lot of choice on the continent, I assume the same will happen here.

All the best

David
 
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My biggest pet hate is people slagging off brands not on here so they have no right of reply. I have lost respect of a certain trader due to this. There is no need for debates to be dragged down to school yard level. I think people enjoy some debate but it too often gets petty. I have a lot of respect for most members and traders on here!
 
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