What determines the voltage of an ebike?

hopper_rider

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I began to wonder as I noticed that the ebrompton from Nycewheels has a similar part to mine but is a 36Volt setup, whereas on my bike its 24V.

I dont know what this part is called, but its the same on both bikes



Does this mean that my bike could be upgraded to make use of a 36v bigger battery setup or are there other things that need to be considered?
 
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The main difference between the 24v and 36v panels is that the voltage is split into different levels for the battery indicator LEDs. There's also a resistor that cuts down the incoming voltage to the voltage regulator that will be a higher value on the 36v one, so the 24v might get a bit hot. The 24v one might work on 36v showing the battery full all the time, but it would be better to get the 36v one. Everything else works the same.

From experience, many 24v controllers can run on 36v including your type. Some people change the big resistor to a higher value to stop it getting too hot. The only other thing that might be a problem is if you have lights running off the main battery.
 

patpatbut

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I think you are using g209 if I am correct. I am not sure it can be overvolted to 36v.

It is called LED panel in the photo and you might need to upgrade that to 36v version as well.

I believe most 24v controllers can take 36v but they might need to check amp output to the motor. I think it is 20amp for yours.

Pat
 

hopper_rider

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Aug 22, 2012
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I opened up the battery wiring box to have a look. Never dared to before

Okay it says
Controller for brushless motor
Rated Voltage 24V
Maximun current 12A
Rated Current 6A
Low voltage protection 21V
Throttle adjustment voltage 1.2v - 4.4v

Well I think that says I am limited to 24V with this controller???
Does it also say I could make use of a throttle? I havent got one at the moment.

Sorry I am a technophobe.
 
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If it has a spare white 3-way connector, you can fit a throttle directly.
Don't take too much notice of the writing on the controller. That's settings rather than capability. 12A is quite low. You can get a lot better climbing power if you solder the shunt in the controller - about 30% of its length.

If you're keen on a a 36v update, you can buy a battery from BMSBattery, and at the same time buy a KU65 controller, throttle and (just to be sure) a PAS sensor. The extra items will be very cheap because the shipping cost is covered by the battery. You should also cost the battery and other items from Greenbikekit, because their shipping is often cheaper. Make sure that you select the optional LED display with their controller:
Motor controller 250watts 24v for hall sensor or sensorless hub motor-GreenBikeKit online store for electric bicycle components-GreenBikeKit.com

Have a look at these two threads that explain how to get more speed and power:
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/technical/9183-cyclamatic-controller-mod-walkthrough-pics.html
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/9857-cyclamatic-beastamatic-dead-long-live-beastamatic.html
The missing Beastamatic photos are in this folder:
http://s451.photobucket.com/user/d8veh/library/Beastamatic?sort=3&page=1
 
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hopper_rider

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I think you are using g209 if I am correct. I am not sure it can be overvolted to 36v.

It is called LED panel in the photo and you might need to upgrade that to 36v version as well.

I believe most 24v controllers can take 36v but they might need to check amp output to the motor. I think it is 20amp for yours.

Pat
What part are you referring to here. The g209????
 

Alan Quay

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Can't be 100% sure, but it sounds very much like the controller I have on one of my bikes (paper sticker on back with almost identical information IIRC) . Came with a 24v kit, but I am happily running it at 36v albeit with an 8fun motor.

Personally, I would take the risk. If you burn it out, just buy another 36v controller.

Edit: info on my sticker is slightly different but I'm pretty sure its the same sticker at least. Differences are:
max current: 15A,
rated current: 7A,
low voltage protection: 20.5v
 
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Yours is a standard Chinese kit. You can get all the bits from BMSBattery, Greenbikekit or Elifebike, and loads of others. Now that I've figured out how the panels work, I'm pretty sure that your display panel will work with 36v, as long as it doesn't go over-heat. The battery indicator lights will be on all the time. If it does blow, you can replace it with a switch and a preset resistor that don't cost very much, although you'd have to do a bit of soldering
 

hopper_rider

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I have however got a poor mans brompton or a brompton clone that I may get round to turning into an ebike at some point
 

hopper_rider

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Yours is a standard Chinese kit. You can get all the bits from BMSBattery, Greenbikekit or Elifebike, and loads of others. Now that I've figured out how the panels work, I'm pretty sure that your display panel will work with 36v, as long as it doesn't go over-heat. The battery indicator lights will be on all the time. If it does blow, you can replace it with a switch and a preset resistor that don't cost very much, although you'd have to do a bit of soldering
When the ignition is on and the power panel has been selected the lights are constantly on at the moment. Not sure if that is what you are saying.
 

hopper_rider

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If it has a spare white 3-way connector, you can fit a throttle directly.
Don't take too much notice of the writing on the controller. That's settings rather than capability. 12A is quite low. You can get a lot better climbing power if you solder the shunt in the controller - about 30% of its length.

If you're keen on a a 36v update, you can buy a battery from BMSBattery, and at the same time buy a KU65 controller, throttle and (just to be sure) a PAS sensor. The extra items will be very cheap because the shipping cost is covered by the battery. You should also cost the battery and other items from Greenbikekit, because their shipping is often cheaper. Make sure that you select the optional LED display with their controller:
Motor controller 250watts 24v for hall sensor or sensorless hub motor-GreenBikeKit online store for electric bicycle components-GreenBikeKit.com

Have a look at these two threads that explain how to get more speed and power:
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/technical/9183-cyclamatic-controller-mod-walkthrough-pics.html
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/9857-cyclamatic-beastamatic-dead-long-live-beastamatic.html
The missing Beastamatic photos are in this folder:
Beastamatic Photos by d8veh | Photobucket
Am I right that the benefit of 36v over 24v is potentially faster acceleration and/or hill climbing ability.
The rest of your reply is wriiten in 'Greek' which I have not yet mastered. :)
 
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Am I right that the benefit of 36v over 24v is potentially faster acceleration and/or hill climbing ability.
The rest of your reply is wriiten in 'Greek' which I have not yet mastered. :)
Yes, but if you can't understand that other stuff I wouldn't recommend it. What don''t you understand? Maybe I can make it simpler for yoo because none of it is difficult. It looks and sound more difficult than it is. Even the mentally sub-normal guys in Greece can understand Greek.
 

hopper_rider

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Aug 22, 2012
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Yes, but if you can't understand that other stuff I wouldn't recommend it. What don''t you understand? Maybe I can make it simpler for yoo because none of it is difficult. It looks and sound more difficult than it is. Even the mentally sub-normal guys in Greece can understand Greek.
I was open enough to share my inadequacies and now feel cruelly punished for doing so :)

No, I am sure it makes sense to someone who understands the principles.

I was partially considering favershams earlier post where he moved the units from his hopper over to a full size bike. This is something I have been pondering. But I know that if I do that, I will at times want to take account of extra carrying ability on a full size bike. With that I was wondering about upgrading to a beefier battery. Thats what made me wonder about what was easy to swap or what might need upgrading.
 
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If you want to move your stuff to a bike with 26" wheels, you'll need to stick with a 24v battery because your motor will spin too fast at 36v. A 36v battery will make the motor try and spin 50% faster, and then the 26" wheels will add 30% speed to that, which makes 95% faster. It won't have enough power to run at that speed, so everything will get very hot.

All these things are simple, but end up complicated. If you put a 36v battery on your present bike, you'll need a throttle, a new controller with panel and a new pedal sensor to match the new controller. Inevitably, there will be wiring issues that require soldering and swapping pins in the connectors. When you've done all that, your gearing will be too low, so you'll need to change the gearing, which means a new difficult to find free-wheel gearset or a larger chainwheel. Both these things require special tools.

You can get more power from your present bike by opening the controller (seven screws - 4 on the wires end and 3 on the side) and adding solder to the shunt like in those two threads that I linked to. If you transferred your stuff to a 26" wheel bike, that procedure would be necessary because your motor doesn't make much torque at the moment because the controller won't give it much current.