Unlimited Budget?

[andyh2]

A Bakfiets type cargo bike with crank drive, with user able to select cadence at which power down occurs. With max power allowed legally.

Disc brakes and perhaps a belt drive, if they can take the additional power from crank drive motor. Rohloff or maybe Alfine 11, I'd like to compare how they feel first.

And/or a Yuba Mundo / Surly Big Dummy similarly equipped drive wise, but with the back end adapted to take 'fatbike' tyres like this;
Black Floyd | Parts | Surly Bikes

So you could have braking to match the weight going downhill with less risk of locking the wheel and skidding. Maybe a dual front disc would be possible.

 

[flecc]

i thought you was more into the off road style of bikes.

The Flyer X is an off-roader, despite the mudguards and carrier, hence the cantilever rear suspension and very high mounted motor unit for maximum ground clearance, unlike all their other models. With the mudguards and carrier off it would look much more the part. It beat the Haibike to the market by about a year.

 

[Scottyf]

Really, it looks more like a comfy commuter with all that gear on it.
I can't imagine it going over trials!

 

[flecc]

It would do it easily, the mudguards are high cutoff types so wouldn't foul the ground at any point. It just happens to be better equipped for the road as well, so more practical than the off-road Haibike for all round duties.

 

[eddieo]

Really, it looks more like a comfy commuter with all that gear on it.
I can't imagine it going over trials!

here is the proper bike without bits!

»ElektroRad« 01/2010: Im Test - das Flyer X-Serie - YouTube

Flyer x-serie mtb - YouTube

 

[Scottyf]

Thank you for the link Eddie!

 

[eddieo]

it really is the finest bike...I test road it 5 short times over 2 days only on a large flat tarmaced area but its pure class. But now, Haibike probably at least as good, for half the money and lighter as well....

 

[nemesis]

My 2011 kalkhoff pro connect s that I purchased in April,14000 km covered and it still looks and runs like new,perfect balance of useability and reliability,it has been ridden in sportives and charity rides and has been a lot of fun,more money could not improve it.

 

[Kenny]

I'll second that. My PCS was one of the first ones purchased in 2008 and I think it's as good as anything available today. Magura hydraulic brakes, XT Drive Train, excellent ride, whats not to like?

I wouldn't thank you for the increased power of the latest models as the trade off is range which is most important for my day long rides, hence my only significant upgrade being the purchase of an 18ah battery.

Before anyone mentions "what about Bosch"...... yes, I like them but until they up their battery capacity the long range Kalkhoff suits me best.

 

[eddieo]

well at least the Bosch bikes are legal and even with 2nd battery a lot cheaper then panasonic

You are both aware aren't you, that the S class Kalkhoff bikes are illegal on UK roads?


FYI The Swiss flyer X being discussed is a Panasonic system bike.....

 

[Scottyf]

Not sure if I would want an electric off road bike though. I don't quite get it unless its to make life easier getting back up the hill or to go a bit further.

If I'm doing off road riding then theres a good chance its for leisure. Which means I wouldnt be in a hurry like I am on my commuting bike.

Maybe I'm missing the point. Maybe I just need to try one actually out see if i'd like it more than just riding a well balanced off road bike.

I'm still toying with getting a good full suspension XC bike for this season so its rolling around in my head...

 

[Kenny]

Quote : well at least the Bosch bikes are legal and even with 2nd battery a lot cheaper then panasonic

You are both aware aren't you, that the S class Kalkhoff bikes are illegal on UK roads?

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I don't want to start the legality debate again but it seems to me that an awful lot of people are riding illegally with various sprocket changes and others with powerful motors that somehow meet the ambiguous legal requirements.

I try to ride considerately all all times and am very grateful for the extra couple of mph on the rare occasion I have to ride on busy roads/dual carriageways as it enables me to get to quieter roads as quickly and safely as possible.

 

[flecc]

Depends which S version. Kenny's is probably that which assists to about 20 mph, but the versions with the Rohloff or SRAM DualDrive gear systems assist to 25/26 mph respectively.