UKIP Manifesto
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The Kippers can dream. But when they wake up they will still have two or three seats - it they’re lucky.
How wonderfully innocent (unworldly even) - two pedelecers who still believe in political manifestos.
I'm not going to disagree with you, but I hope that you are wrong and if voting was a true reflection of people's feelings, UKIP would have many MPs. But we are stuck with UK democracy, which is an elected dictatorship of bungling incompetence for the foreseeable.
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Nobody said they believed anything. It's all hypothetical. We only said that what was written was sensible.
I agree that we have been let down by the main stream party's political manifestos and broken political promises for decades. From what I've seen, Labour, Conservative and Lib Dems are no different this year. They seem to have entered into an NHS Top Trumps bidding war with no real plan to finance their ambitions other than more borrowing. Any fool can get into debt, it's very easy. What sets UKIP apart is that they have said where the cash is coming from, scrapping unpopular foreign aid being one such source.
There have been times whem the Liberal manifestos made lots of sense too, but this is often a characteristic of any party that knows it can not get into power. It's easy to do.
Of course the Lib-dems came unstuck last time, when they actually did achieve some power to their great surprise after making promises they could then not keep.
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Of course the Lib-dems came unstuck last time, when they actually did achieve some power to their great surprise after making promises they could then not keep.
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yes, and it all becomes even more hypothetical when one scrutinises Nige's EU funded lifestyle and employing of Germans to do his admin more closely..
Most of what one needs to know about politics and economics, power and corruption are in this 1949 commentary on the situation by one, A. Einstein. The principles, if I may refer to them as such, still hold good:
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I lived in Germany for 17 years. They're far more efficient than any Brit will ever be, so I don't blame him
Do you think a dictatorship of the majority (as in ancient Greece) rather than of an elected parliament (as now) would make things any less dictatorial or incompetent?
After identifying the problem the next job of politics is to identify the solution. That’s when the real politics begin, because the elites don’t even recognise that there is a problem of course.
How about this alternative I posted back in 2006 Jonathan?
Knowledge based democracy
N.B. Some former members posts have been excised from that thread so the continuity and references to other members don't seem right any more.
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Interesting! Some probs with but will post later, having bit of RSI flare-up.
The differencewith UKIP is that they have said exactly where they are going to make cuts to fund their expenditure. The others have not. We as country are currently one thousand six hundred thousand million pounds in debt (1.6 trillion). That is terrifying. labour and Conservative plans centre around borrowingmore money to fund an NHS bidding war for votes. It's easy to borrow, any fool can get into debt and that is what our politicians have done, borrowed to fund idealology that the majority of people don't want. . What sets UKIP apart is that they plan to raise money by ending foreign aid and other such measure. I've not seen any savings plan from any other party. What sort of madness is it for a country 1.6 trillion in debt to borrow 10 billion each year to give away to countries that have space and nuclear weapons programmes?
Terrifying? Not really. Here's the history of our debt over recent times as a proportion of GDP:
And here it is from the origins of our UK national debt:
Not as scary now!
In fact a national debt is essential in the world's modern economy in order for the system to run efficiently and effectively. It's a very complex subject as you might imagine, but worthy of research.
Charts thanks to Wikipedia on this link
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very true, but, being an immigrant myself, i'd say british inefficiency can be charming (unlike blatant populist hypocrisy)I lived in Germany for 17 years. They're far more efficient than any Brit will ever be, so I don't blame him
I'm not convinced that a 1.6 trillion pound debt owed by a country which is borrowing billions to give away to other countries makes any sense at all and the concept makes the debt even more terrifying. I am very much in favour of reducing our country's outgoings on this type of vanity exerciseTerrifying? Not really. Here's the history of our debt over recent times as a proportion of GDP:
And here it is from the origins of our UK national debt:
Not as scary now!
In fact a national debt is essential in the world's modern economy in order for the system to run efficiently and effectively. It's a very complex subject as you might imagine, but worthy of research.
Charts thanks to Wikipedia on this link
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