Two-tier justice

[flecc]

People who choose to dress in anti social ways are more than likely to have anti social values.

But what is an anti-social way of dressing Mike? It appears from your post that it's unlike the way most dress, but why should that be anti-social?

One of my nieces was a Goth for several years with all the black and white appearance that entailed, making her very much an exception to the norm. But she was always an employed thoroughly responsible and decent citizen, marrying her similarly disposed Goth husband and them settling down together, both in employment ever since. So hardly at any time anti-social.

When my brother was invited to be a guest of the Queen at the Trooping of the Colour, he wore the de rigeur evening dress and top hat. I drove him to Horseguards Parade, but he returned by walking to Victoria Station and catching the train to East Croydon, by his account attracting many odd looks. Did that make him anti-social, and was the Queen anti-social for inviting him?

A week ago waiting at the supermarket checkout with all tills occupied, there was a deeply hoodied lad ahead of me, backside of his trousers draped down behind his knees, holding one item while I had a basket full. When a till came free he turned to me with a shy smile and asked if I'd like to go first. Of course I didn't but thanked him for his polite consideration for an elderly man. He was obviously a well spoken and thoroughly decent lad just following a street fashion, and someone I'd be proud to have as a son. Though that would be highly unlikely since he was black, which I'm not!

I trust you can see that when one classifies a person on the basis of difference in common dress, a whole can of worms is opened.
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[anotherkiwi]

And were the babies born little Goths?

I arrived in France from London in 1977. I decided it was probably better to drop the punk look which was attracting too much attention so I let my hair and beard grow, I called it my "back to the 60's" moment...

 

[mike killay]

But what is an anti-social way of dressing Mike? It appears from your post that it's unlike the way most dress, but why should that be anti-social?

One of my nieces was a Goth for several years with all the black and white appearance that entailed, making her very much an exception to the norm. But she was always an employed thoroughly responsible and decent citizen, marrying her similarly disposed Goth husband and them settling down together, both in employment ever since. So hardly at any time anti-social.

When my brother was invited to be a guest of the Queen at the Trooping of the Colour, he wore the de rigeur evening dress and top hat. I drove him to Horseguards Parade, but he returned by walking to Victoria Station and catching the train to East Croydon, by his account attracting many odd looks. Did that make him anti-social, and was the Queen anti-social for inviting him?

A week ago waiting at the supermarket checkout with all tills occupied, there was a deeply hoodied lad ahead of me, backside of his trousers draped down behind his knees, holding one item while I had a basket full. When a till came free he turned to me with a shy smile and asked if I'd like to go first. Of course I didn't but thanked him for his polite consideration for an elderly man. He was obviously a well spoken and thoroughly decent lad just following a street fashion, and someone I'd be proud to have as a son. Though that would be highly unlikely since he was black, which I'm not!

I trust you can see that when one classifies a person on the basis of difference in common dress, a whole can of worms is opened.
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Flecc,
Your answer is a good example of debating, not the vicious waspish ad hominem attacks that Old Tom likes to indulge in.

 

[oldtom]

Your statements were nonsensical and here is why:

So, if the book cover says 'Mein Kampf' you should not judge it.

If that is your idea of trying to make a point, it is lost on me. Mein Kampf is a very boring read but contains sufficient references to allow people perhaps a little insight into understanding how and why the author wished to change the world and to create a greater Germany amongst other things - it's been a long time!

The book's cover doesn't tell anyone what the storyline is and the title is generally translated to mean 'My struggle' so who could possibly know what it might contain without actually reading it. The fact is, loathsome as Hitler may have been, many people have read that book to try to understand how he became by various degrees, so feared, so respected, so powerful and so hated. It has never been a big-seller, not least because it's not a great story but you suggest it should not be judged. Who is judging it?

My point in a previous response to 'D8veh' was that one shouldn't judge a book by its cover'. That is a well-founded adage of long standing. You must know that.

Failing to observe the obvious is an easy way of lining yourself up for a Darwin award.

I don't understand your meaning.

So an insect has black and yellow stripes? ignore it?

What is your point? Yes, some so-coloured insects have the ability to sting but many others have similar markings yet are harmless to us. The wasp and the hoverfly spring to mind. We know that while wasps have the ability to sting, they don't bother with humans for the most part and can be safely ignored in the main. Perhaps you are stating that all wasps intend to sting humans because they are.....wasps?

People who choose to dress in anti social ways are more than likely to have anti social values.

Is that a fact or just an expression of one of your prejudices Mike? I learned many many years ago never to judge a man....or a woman, by the clothes they wear. You see, Mike, I don't think there is such a thing as anti-social dress. I get the traditional norms expected at weddings and funerals and I get uniforms but elsewhere, I'm happy for people to wear what they wish to wear. Anti-social clothes? Nope!

Anti-social has more than one meaning but I do like this one:

Contrary to the laws and customs of society, in a way that causes annoyance and disapproval in others:

Having read that, I'm all for the wearing of anything you consider anti-social then - god bless all rebels! Just be careful you don't turn into a boring old fart with your ultra conservative views on the human species. You don't really want to turn your back on everybody whose personal garb isn't to your taste - you might need help from somebody one day.

Tom

 

[LeighPing]

Your Honour, I shouldn't go to jail, for being found guilty of wounding with intent, because I'm a drug and alcohol abuser who has plans to become a heart surgeon. Besides, I'm too intelligent for jail!



Innit.

 

[Danidl]

But what is an anti-social way of dressing Mike? It appears from your post that it's unlike the way most dress, but why should that be anti-social?

One of my nieces was a Goth for several years with all the black and white appearance that entailed, making her very much an exception to the norm. But she was always an employed thoroughly responsible and decent citizen, marrying her similarly disposed Goth husband and them settling down together, both in employment ever since. So hardly at any time anti-social.

When my brother was invited to be a guest of the Queen at the Trooping of the Colour, he wore the de rigeur evening dress and top hat. I drove him to Horseguards Parade, but he returned by walking to Victoria Station and catching the train to East Croydon, by his account attracting many odd looks. Did that make him anti-social, and was the Queen anti-social for inviting him?

A week ago waiting at the supermarket checkout with all tills occupied, there was a deeply hoodied lad ahead of me, backside of his trousers draped down behind his knees, holding one item while I had a basket full. When a till came free he turned to me with a shy smile and asked if I'd like to go first. Of course I didn't but thanked him for his polite consideration for an elderly man. He was obviously a well spoken and thoroughly decent lad just following a street fashion, and someone I'd be proud to have as a son. Though that would be highly unlikely since he was black, which I'm not!

I trust you can see that when one classifies a person on the basis of difference in common dress, a whole can of worms is opened.
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In Ireland "being a guest of the Queen or King " had a slightly different meaning and it involved having oatmeal based breakfasts!
In regards to your main point, I had undertaken responsibility for teaching apprentice electricians and in one of my practical classes there appeared a bald tattooed , maybe even filed teeth, young "gentleman", leather jacketed and I reckoned he would be mega trouble, but I would try and be professional and give a good service and maybe survive the inevitable knifing.
Cutting a long story short, he was the gentleman of the class, helpful, interested and fully engaged. In other words a really pleasant bloke!
So books and covers !!!

 

[flecc]

In Ireland "being a guest of the Queen or King " had a slightly different meaning and it involved having oatmeal based breakfasts!

We have that meaning too, usually expressed as a guest of His/Her Majesty. As far as I know they're not usually attired in top hat and tails, although looking at the cost per prisoner of keeping them in, they might well be.
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[Emo Rider]

Your Honour, I shouldn't go to jail, for being found guilty of wounding with intent, because I'm a drug and alcohol abuser who has plans to become a heart surgeon. Besides, I'm too intelligent for jail!

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This speaks volumes.....

 

[daveboy]

A friends "wayward" daughter got herself pregnant to avoid prison after
being charged with intent to supply...and it worked.Her 2 year sentence was
suspended.

 

[cosybike]

So, if the book cover says 'Mein Kampf' you should not judge it.
Sorry Tom, must disagree.
Failing to observe the obvious is an easy way of lining yourself up for a Darwin award.
So an insect has black and yellow stripes?
ignore it?
People who choose to dress in anti social ways are more than likely to have anti social values.
Now I have a few friends who do exactly that (Camo etc), but it took a long time for me to accept them and they still are only tolerated acquaintances rather than real friends.

I ve got camo trousers. Sometimes I put them on and have a wee Snowball and stay up til newsnight comes on!


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