Yes, from remembering reading the Highway Code a few months back on that point I am sure what you say here is correct Flecc.
Totally OT - Biker jailed for doing 122mph
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I'm sorry to disagree with members of this forum, but anyone travelling at 120 mph on a public road is an ar*eh*le, whatever their vehicle, and regardless of any sanctions imposed.
Oh,bloody hell, here we go again - another totally off-topic thread which is going in every possible direction.....It just so happens that one of my cars is a 3 litre turbocharged white van so watch your rear view mirror
Using my general average speeds, I'd take 67 mins for the non-motorway bit (average of 46mph) and 66 mins for the motorway bit making my driving time just 13 mins longer than yours overall... and that 13 mins is just enough time for you to have made me a cuppa by the time I'd catch you up in Dorset
Perhaps 'The Charging Post' would have been a more appropriate place to have started this, if at all?
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You've been riding somewhere different to me, I frequently see bikers riding much faster than 80. With full fairing you hardly notice the wind, the limiting factor at very high speeds is when a motorway starts to feel more like a twisty road.
I think location makes a big difference, in London it seems to be normal and I'm sure some drivers that sit in the outside lane assume that's what everyone wants to do. Outside London people get a bit upset about it but I think that if a car gets undertaken then it's being badly driven, if you aren't overtaking or in a slow line of traffic then move over.I though it was ok to undertake on an inside lane providing you don't do so in a dangerous way? Not sure of my facts here though I do admit
Back on topic I had a good look at the video a while ago and he's not on the motorway, he's on a busy single carriageway road. He's overtaking cars when there is a turning or layby on the right and there's a reasonable risk the car he's overtaking will want to turn into it.
Silly man, but is he a skilled rider who can make safe decisions about road conditions and speed?
He probably all but told the judge that he has little grasp of what he is riding or how weather affects road conditions. Then stick his son on the back with no protection, accelerate hard to show off and the judge is going to be a bit moody. There were no mitigating circumstances, he just dug the hole deeper whenever he opened his mouth.
Most bikers have said something incredibly stupid at some point but who the hell says stuff like that in public or in court.
He has been made an example of as people have been brainwashed to believe all road deaths are due to speed, personally I think he was trying to do the gene pool a favour and should be applauded for it.
Back to topic and, yes, it is utterly absurd. Six months in prison for hurting precisely nobody?
"Had you lost control. . . . "
"If you had burst a tyre . . . "
Both from the judge and pure speculation.
From The Times:
"Clinging to the back . . . " (Holding onto more like)
"Entered blind spot . . . . " (Whose blind spot?)
"Capable of 220mph. . . " (Rubbish, 186mph maximum)
"Bike making such a racket that . . . " (They are very quiet bikes)
So what is the net result? The guy goes to prison, loses his job, possibly his home, has a criminal record and therefore probably will not find another job, becomes a drain on the state, etc.
Meanwhile, just as an example, the low life scum who stole my father in law's pension between May and August last year while he was in intensive care is not even questioned by the police, despite incontravertible evidence against him.
Still, looking at the LCD display on my bike, it seems to have done 154.6mph at some point in the last few months (can't think where or who was riding it), so things are not all bad - yet.
"Had you lost control. . . . "
"If you had burst a tyre . . . "
Both from the judge and pure speculation.
From The Times:
"Clinging to the back . . . " (Holding onto more like)
"Entered blind spot . . . . " (Whose blind spot?)
"Capable of 220mph. . . " (Rubbish, 186mph maximum)
"Bike making such a racket that . . . " (They are very quiet bikes)
So what is the net result? The guy goes to prison, loses his job, possibly his home, has a criminal record and therefore probably will not find another job, becomes a drain on the state, etc.
Meanwhile, just as an example, the low life scum who stole my father in law's pension between May and August last year while he was in intensive care is not even questioned by the police, despite incontravertible evidence against him.
Still, looking at the LCD display on my bike, it seems to have done 154.6mph at some point in the last few months (can't think where or who was riding it), so things are not all bad - yet.
I take it that if plod did get hold of that you could prove you have been on a track day or something similar so they can't wave it in front of a judge as evidence of your reckless riding.Still, looking at the LCD display on my bike, it seems to have done 154.6mph at some point in the last few months (can't think where or who was riding it), so things are not all bad - yet.
Oh and you're a pussy - there's another 30mph in it!
In the wrong forum, perhaps so, but at least it's been seen.
But do many members view the Charging post? At the moment of typing 25 are in the Electric Bike forum and none in the CP. Overall the history shows many more posts, views and replies have been in the E Bikes forum, which is as it should be of course on a site dedicated to e bikes, but it must be tempting for a member who has what he thinks is an interesting and worthwhile, perhaps controversial topic to post in a forum where he knows there is a good chance of that topic being viewed and replied to.
Incidentally, I've posted what I think is an interesting topic in the CP, ie ''Fatal Trip'', one reply so far, perhaps have a look and comment?
Why ''if at all''? It's a good topic and has already raised a lot of threads.
But do many members view the Charging post? At the moment of typing 25 are in the Electric Bike forum and none in the CP. Overall the history shows many more posts, views and replies have been in the E Bikes forum, which is as it should be of course on a site dedicated to e bikes, but it must be tempting for a member who has what he thinks is an interesting and worthwhile, perhaps controversial topic to post in a forum where he knows there is a good chance of that topic being viewed and replied to.
Incidentally, I've posted what I think is an interesting topic in the CP, ie ''Fatal Trip'', one reply so far, perhaps have a look and comment?
"perhaps controversial "?
What's with this M letter you put in front of your road numbers?
On the direct road from London to Edinburgh the A1 road is mostly 2 lane north of Alnwick.
There has been talk of up-grading stretches to DUAL CARRIAGEWAY but this has been denied by official sources.
Some of us are pleased with this announcement as we like the unspoilt beauty of The Borders and the low traffic density.
Dave
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What's with this M letter you put in front of your road numbers?
On the direct road from London to Edinburgh the A1 road is mostly 2 lane north of Alnwick.
There has been talk of up-grading stretches to DUAL CARRIAGEWAY but this has been denied by official sources.
Some of us are pleased with this announcement as we like the unspoilt beauty of The Borders and the low traffic density.
Dave
New research shows how roadbuilding fails
A new report published on 6 July by CPRE and the government's Countryside Agency examined the impacts of three big recently built road schemes, including the Newbury Bypass. The researchers found that traffic grew rapidly on both the new bypasses and the existing roads they replaced, with the new roads generating additional road traffic. Traffic forecasts for 2010 were being approached now, or had already been exceeded. It also shows how roadbuilding increased development pressures on undeveloped land nearby and caused significant damage to landscapes. Despite the research the government is still pressing on with a huge roads programme of over 200 approved schemes, and is planning to spend over £1 billion this year alone on futile and damaging roadbuilding.
Road Block Home Page :: Alliance Against Roadbuilding
I've also got a full clean licence, plus full no claims bonus for the whole of my 57 years of riding and driving, and also had an additional "preferred policyholder discount" when that was available. I've also never fallen foul of a speed camera.
As for the "cup of tea" time saving, it's not to save time that I drive fast since that's pointless. I prefer to drive fast since that's conducive to maximum alertness, it's all to easy for attention to wander at slower speeds and I'm sure that's the cause of many accidents. I also never use a car radio or any other in-car entertainment and prefer to drive solo so that the whole of my attention is on what's happening the other side of the glass.
Those are the reasons I've stayed so safe for so long.
That doesn't fit in with Bode's opinion above, but I'd rather stick with what's proved safest for me and all others than be an automaton and follow other's opinions, whether State or individual.
There is no fixed safe top speed, some people are dangerous at almost any speed.
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All you guys with your macho bragging about top speeds should stick to your e-bikes; you are unlikely to kill yourselves or anyone else with those.
I am ten years your junior, and am aware of reflexes slowing with age. If you think you are immune to that process, good luck to you and may it continue to hold, for your own sake and that of other road users. But if you think that speeds of 120+ mph on public roads are a good idea, see my earlier post.
.... or an ar*eh*le
I know that you probably won't believe this but, I am NOT having a dig at YOU.
I have posted the above quotes because I think I can see where this is going next and am only using YOUR words to prevent an escalation.
Please heed your own quotes about presenting facts and remember Mussels quote - I did.
Me too, and for that reason the journeys I undertake have been getting shorter over the years. At one time I could maintain the very high level of attention, concentration and performance that fast driving demands for four or five hours but I now confine myself to a maximum journey of under two and half hours with normal road conditions. I also only drive those if in the right mood and health and make no promises to anyone regarding a journey day, and that's why you won't see me at Presteigne.
There will come a point in the not too distant future when my performance will not meet my exacting standards and that's when my cars will go and I'll happily start using taxis and chauffeur drive cars instead. I'm already planned and budgeted for that, so there's no need for concern about the safety of me or others since I've no intention of becoming the menace that so many elderly drivers are.
As for your judgment about the 120 mph point, on certain motorway stretches in the early hours when one's car is the only vehicle anywhere in sight, what is it that makes it so dangerous compared with say 110 mph?
It all depends on the road, visibility and weather conditions, the type of car and it's abilities, the driver and their abilities, and the safe point can fall anywhere between 20 mph and over 150 mph. Given adequate drivers, a fairly new and perfectly maintained Ferrari is a lot safer well within it's capabilities at 150 mph than an elderly Daewoo Matiz at it's 85 mph limit of handling and stability. It can stop quicker too.
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Well, well; hoist by my own petard! At least I wasn't abusing potential customers who were making a valid point.
I admire your self-confidence and hope that you realise when you have reached that point before it is brought home to you in a different way.
Or 154.6 as another member boasts of, or the 220 claimed by the convicted biker that this thread began with.
Who is to say who is competent to control dangerous machinery at those speeds?
Each individual, apparently. Everyone who thinks that they do not need to be guided by the law or even common sense.
My case rests.
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Again, NOT attacking you but, PED-AL made it quite clear, that he had no intention of being a 'Potential customer' -
As to a valid point - please remind me of exactly what his views had to do with my company winning the 'carbon reduction award'? - also, as I have said before, anyone is welcome to try it for themselves to see if my claims are true or not. But as we are going way off tangent to the subject of this thread, I suggest we start a new one to answer this.
I actually understand your frustation and the need to express it. The difference is that I withdrew my statement when I realised that I should not have called him that (despite what I thought), will you be big enough to do the same? - as you have called a lot of people ar*sh*les.
Back on topic, some of us, HAVE been / WERE trained to drive vehicles quickly because of the jobs / functions we performed. But we were ONLY sanctioned to do so during the execution of that job/function. (You will find that these people are connected with the MOD or other specialist government agencies )... so some people can judge what is safe or isn't.
...And because I know that you are going to say 'PROVE IT' - I will. My mate Frank, is the Team Leader of Driver Training for West Mercia Constabulary. That means that he (a civilian) teaches police officers to become Class 'A' drivers - you know, the ones who pose around in their shiny Volvo V70 T5s on the motorways.
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This illustrates the dangers of trying to judge for others as you've been doing. Self confidence doesn't come into it since I regularly check the two main factors of deterioration in old age, reaction times and eyesight, since I'm far from confident they will remain the same. As for other deterioration factors, I think my record in this forum shows I'm up to the standards of many much younger than me.
You mentioned awareness of deterioration at a decade younger than me, but we are different people with different habits who might age at very different rates. For example I don't drink alcohol so I don't suffer any of the short or long term impairments that so many suffer from that habit, and I'm never at risk of alcohol impaired judgement when driving.
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Not a 'boast' at all. It was done by me entirely legally and safely on a German autobahn and I wrote it to celebrate the fact that we still have some freedoms.
Your blanket ad hominem attacks do not reflect well on you, by the way.
I stick to the limit + or minus a bit. It's not worth the risk and the difference to the journey times isn't that great. Most drivers seem to think the same. 10 years ago if a sign on the motorway said 50MPH it was pretty much ignored. Now if a traffic management sign says 20MPH people slow down to 20MPH. It's the speed cameras and the threat of a fine and points that does it.
I think the motorcyclist was unwise & unlucky.
I think the motorcyclist was unwise & unlucky.
Well, I do seem to have rattled a lot of cages. Good job I didn't mention helmets.
A case in point:
Good for you. If only I had realised that aging was to do with my habits and not the passing of the years. I am sure that everyone else who drives (what I would consider to be) too fast applies the same rigorous self-discipline as you, and that we can rely on this to keep us all safe.
A case in point:
Glad you eventually remembered the circumstances, otherwise I should have been worried about your failing faculties:
Well, that's cleared that up, then.
I believe he was merely expressing a comment on your strange-looking and controversial bike, a valid thing to do since your main reason for appearing in this forum is to plug it. On that basis, any forum member might be considered a potential customer.
I am happy to withdraw that pejorative name, and refer to such people as dangerous lawbreakers.
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