Torq or Wisper 905se which one to buy?

[Basingstoke]

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Surley the torq is shipped in by container from china as well? I dont think any electric bikes are designed or made in the uk. All these companies (wisper and 50cycles etc etc) are just resellers but when you read articles and view their websites i thought they were designed in the uk and simply made in china but it seems the chineese design build and ship out a container to anyone with a credit card ................lol...... in the states the torq is £800 with a bigger motor! over here £1195 we are all being ripped off again!! I have sent two emails to wisper with 'no reply' maybe they are just busy? which makes me worry slightly about backup! 50cycles always respond to emails. The wisper only has a 26 inch wheel where the torq has a 28inch wheel also a more streamline tyre i think.The wisper is a smaller bike i am 6ft 2 so the torq might be better for me i will demo both before i buy and let you know.

 

[ITSPETEINIT]

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Surley the torq is shipped in by container from china as well? I dont think any electric bikes are designed or made in the uk. All these companies (wisper and 50cycles etc etc) are just resellers but when you read articles and view their websites i thought they were designed in the uk and simply made in china but it seems the chineese design build and ship out a container to anyone with a credit card ................lol...... in the states the torq is £800 with a bigger motor! over here £1195 we are all being ripped off again!! I have sent two emails to wisper with 'no reply' maybe they are just busy? which makes me worry slightly about backup! 50cycles always respond to emails. The wisper only has a 26 inch wheel where the torq has a 28inch wheel also a more streamline tyre i think.The wisper is a smaller bike i am 6ft 2 so the torq might be better for me i will demo both before i buy and let you know.

I sent an e-mail to Wisper (this was some months ago) and received NO reply. So I sent a 'reminder'. The reply I got said the reply they sent came from 'Penguin' or some such other address. I had to grovel in the end. I had deleted the Penguin Spam because I did not recognise the name.
Hope this helps
Peter

 

[Ian]

The Wisper Works 905se is not yet on the market so it won't be yet possible to buy or demo, only the lower spec Works 905e is currently available. I agree that the UK price of the Torq seems a rip off compared to the USA and some other countries but this largly because of the low value of the US dollar. Not so long ago the price was comparable, at least in those states with a higher sales tax, and as exchange rates fluctuate its quite possible the situation could reverse.

The Ezee bikes are manufactured in China by eZeeBike and are indeed shipped to around the world in container loads, but only to authorised distributors with whom Ezee maintain a close relationship.

 

[flecc]

Basingstoke, just to correct a wrong impression, the Torq in the USA does not have a larger motor, it's motor there is the identical 250 watt unit we have, and that same motor is also in the Quando both here and there.

The only eZee bikes there to have a larger motor are those with the Sprint motor unit, fitted to the Sprint, Fury (Forza here), Chopper and Cadence, which all have a 350 watt in lieu of our 250 watt unit.
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[lum]

There isn't much of a difference in price between US and UK that I can see. If you go to one of Ezee dealers

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they don't include delivery in the price and US retailers don't include sales tax.

If you include their delivery rate and account for VAT then the Torq is 65 quid dearer in the UK but the sprint is 105 quid cheaper.

Looking at the picture of the torq is doesn't look like the same spec anyway - doesn't have a front v-brake. Looks like a disk brake to me but I don't know anything about bikes.

 

[flecc]

That's the new Torq II with the long planned front disc brake Lum, not due at Eric Sundin's dealership until September 20th. It will also have suspension forks and an uprated 350 watt US market motor, that having been the same 250 watt as ours until now.

Whether it will eventually get to us is in the air, not all variants go to all markets, so ours for the moment at least is front V brake only.
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[Basingstoke]

Hi Basingstoke

I am happy to say no one else in the UK can order Ezee nor anyone else around the world with out a proper distribution agreement.

Ezee are now celebrating having ebikes in more countries than any other makes in the world, which is just excellent and are one of the most up and coming in the US which is very difficult to achieve.

These bikes have definitely been adapted for the UK by serious input from 50cycles and adaptation for our market. The designers and developers in Ezee are all Singaporean and only do the final assembly in Shanghai for obvious reasons. Dealing with Singaporeans means no language barrier and a different mind set for thinking of the future not just shipping containers to random customers.

We have built an excellent relationship with eZee who have been with us this week for a visit and have just extended our sole distributorship for another 10 years. This sort of relationship sets us apart from the rest of the distributors in the UK. We receive daily offers from the makers of Wisper, Powacyle, and Urban mover who are all promised a sole distributorship but is rarely achieved or honored. We do not pursue these offers because we believe we will not get an ongoing service or a true agreement that will be followed through.

Hope this clears some misunderstandings you may have.

Best Regards

50cycles
Scott

Sounds good Scott where are the photo's of the new Torq? i just might buy one 95% there! Oh just one thing the new wisper 905se has a 13amph battery and a 250 watt motor surley this will go further and faster than the new Torg?????? The new Torq has the same battery as before but has gained weight by 2 kg so it must go slower???

 

[flecc]

We still have the same Torq I Basingstoke, 24 kilos and 250 watts.

The model up to now in the USA is the same as ours, but the one arriving in the USA shortly is to be the Torq II with a 350 watt motor, disc front brake and suspension forks. Presumably heavier as you say, but not yet for here, if at all.

Battery capacity (Ampere hours) makes absolutely no difference to speed, nor does weight on the flat, 10, 13 or 15 Ah will all give the same performance. It's the voltage that determines the speed of any given motor, higher volts give higher revs and power on these motor types, and both the Wisper and eZee batteries use the same 10 cells of 3.7 volt Lithium Ion manganese construction. The 905se just has larger capacity cells for a potentially longer range. However, with Lithium Ion batteries, capacity and maximum current drains are a trade off against each other, so we'll need to wait and see how it performs in practice.

The 250 watt figure on these bikes is a legally required figure of the notional average current usage, it does not in any way indicate a motor's output. The peak output of the 250 watt rated Torq is 576 watts gross, some 470 watts nett. Nobody knows the peak output of the 905e or 905se yet, since Wisper are reticent when asked for the specifications. Draw your own conclusions from that. I very much doubt if it's higher than the Torq I, and it certainly wont be higher than the Torq II if that arrives here.
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[Ian]

The new Torq has the same battery as before but has gained weight by 2 kg so it must go slower???

If the quoted figures are correct the US Torq II is 0.8kg lighter than the UK Torq. 52 US pounds = 23.6 kg.

As Flecc says though it is unknown whether it will ever be available in the UK, the distributors are unlikely to let on as that would risk damaging sales of existing models. In my view Wisper made a serious business blunder with their early announcement of the still unavailable 905se, many potential customers frustrated by the the wait going elsewhere.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Tosh!

Hi Basingstoke

I am happy to say no one else in the UK can order Ezee nor anyone else around the world with out a proper distribution agreement.

Ezee are now celebrating having ebikes in more countries than any other makes in the world, which is just excellent and are one of the most up and coming in the US which is very difficult to achieve.

These bikes have definitely been adapted for the UK by serious input from 50cycles and adaptation for our market. The designers and developers in Ezee are all Singaporean and only do the final assembly in Shanghai for obvious reasons. Dealing with Singaporeans means no language barrier and a different mind set for thinking of the future not just shipping containers to random customers.

We have built an excellent relationship with eZee who have been with us this week for a visit and have just extended our sole distributorship for another 10 years. This sort of relationship sets us apart from the rest of the distributors in the UK. We receive daily offers from the makers of Wisper, Powacyle, and Urban mover who are all promised a sole distributorship but is rarely achieved or honored. We do not pursue these offers because we believe we will not get an ongoing service or a true agreement that will be followed through.

Hope this clears some misunderstandings you may have.

Best Regards

50cycles
Scott

Hi Scott no you haven't!

Best regards David

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Blunder

If the quoted figures are correct the US Torq II is 0.8kg lighter than the UK Torq. 52 US pounds = 23.6 kg.

As Flecc says though it is unknown whether it will ever be available in the UK, the distributors are unlikely to let on as that would risk damaging sales of existing models. In my view Wisper made a serious business blunder with their early announcement of the still unavailable 905se, many potential customers frustrated by the the wait going elsewhere.

Hi Ian, you are so right!

All people want now is the 905se, but we are still only selling the 905e! They will however be in our new warehouse in Germany within the next three weeks so we can get them out to those who have waited so patiently!

To all those who are unsure of the better bike, we will have them ready for testing very soon. Sorry for the wait.

Best regards David

 

[flecc]

I believe some of the detail improvements are going on, or are already on the 905e David?

If so, the 905e will surely still be the right bike for many people even now, newer models being different rather than necessarily better for all users. It's difficult to recommend a bike though, when the specification is uncertain or pending imminent improvements.
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[Wisper Bikes]

50 Cycles

Regarding 50 Cycles erroneous comments

We receive daily offers from the makers of Wisper, Powacyle, and Urban mover who are all promised a sole distributorship but is rarely achieved or honored. We do not pursue these offers because we believe we will not get an ongoing service or a true agreement that will be followed through.

I would be interested to hear from Powacycle and Urban Mover to see if Scott is talking nonsense about their suppliers too.

Scott you are a nice lad and have a good product, you don't need to be paranoid about other people in the market, we all have our features advantages and benefits and Ezee are not necessarily the best supplier in the word, incidentally we all can buy Ezee bikes from outside the UK, would you like me to get a Forenza for you?

It would also be nice if you paid the few pounds you owe us from the New Forest Event, we noticed that your guys had the breakfast, used the space and took the brand new gazebo with them (with our complements), but to date no payment. Please see what you can do? If cash is tight don't worry about it immediately but a call would be nice.

As always very best regards David

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Ooops

I meant Forza, not Forenza. Sorry our German Sales manager has a Forenza!!

All the best

D

 

[flecc]

I meant Forza, not Forenza. Sorry our German Sales manager has a Forenza!!

D

Firenza?

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[allotmenteer]

Whilst competition between ebike suppliers is healthy I don't think we want threads degenerate into a slanging match between suppliers. A few threads have gone this way recently. Perhaps a new forum category can be set up. May I suggest it be titled the 'My dad's bigger than your dad' forum.

Seriously though, the mud-slinging going on does not reflect well on some of the parties. I feel I must add however that my general impression is that 50cycles has acted with restraint and composure and wins my respect for that.

Now if they would only answer my Nimh availability question...

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Let's not get into this again?

Hi Scott

The link you have sent is to a company run by an ex employee of C and U engineering, Mark Rao is a bit of a Walter Mitty. He is using many of our photographs and trying desperately to get his little show on the road. (not very well)

We have thought about suing him but quite frankly he is doing us more good than harm.

My point is that saying you are offered all these bikes on a daily basis this is at best misleading.

I do agree however occasionally that we are all offered each others bikes (including Ezee bikes) by someone trying to make a quick buck, our advantage I suppose is as we make them all roads lead to Rome! However as an agent I understand your worries.

It is interesting that you intimate Ezee manufactures it's batteries etc in house? Our motors, controllers and chargers are manufactured by companies outside Wisper. Our batteries for instance are made by Lishen one of the biggest and strongest battery manufacturers in the world who spend millions on R and D every year, we would far prefer to use these wonderful safe batteries than to make them up our selves.

Scott, I fell into a similar discussion with you about a year ago, and don't intend to make any further comment. All I would suggest is try and sell your bikes on their own benefits, not by trying to knock other companies, if you do decide to go down that dangerous road get your facts right first.

I hope to see you on our exhibition stand at The Sustainability Show at the O2 London the last weekend in October, we can discuss this all in detail then over a galss of Organic wine!

Very best regards David

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Restraint?

Hi Richard

Seriously though, the mud-slinging going on does not reflect well on some of the parties. I feel I must add however that my general impression is that 50cycles has acted with restraint and composure and wins my respect for that.

We receive daily offers from the makers of Wisper, Powacyle, and Urban mover who are all promised a sole distributorship but is rarely achieved or honored. We do not pursue these offers because we believe we will not get an ongoing service or a true agreement that will be followed through.

You call this restaint?

Best regards David

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Forenza

Firenza?

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He should be so lucky!

It's this one.

Best regards David

 

[flecc]

No e-bike manufacturer makes lithium batteries, they're all made by specialist companies.

Wisper use Lishen as stated, while eZee use the Phylion Battery Co. Ltd, 10 Zhongyuan Road, Badachu High-Tech Park, Beijing 100041
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