Thinking of a Giant

Purleigh Biker

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I am thinking of purchasing a Giant Twist Esprit Power W 2011 model. It is an end of range from a shop and costs £999-00p against a list price of £1649-00p. I have checked the spec. and a lot of the items are in use on the 2013 model. They have uprated the Nexus gear hub from 7 to 8 gears but I have seen the 7 gear model on other makes of 2013 bikes. It has a 36 volt battery but cannot find anywhere the amperage. Does anyone know what it is? It comes with a set of panniers that can accept another battery They do make a 'double' model that has 2 batteries, but I do not think I will be doing the distance to require that. I do not see the point of carrying the extra weight if I am not doing the mileage .
Any comments will be greatly appreciated
 

Zebb

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Welcome to the site, twin battery does sound very heavy. I would guess its a 10amp, but a quick email to them would clarify that.
 

RobF

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I think those pannier batteries are about 8ah.

An Esprit I tried a year or so ago was fine, although some people think they lack grunt.

Nearly £1,000 for a 2011 seems a bit steep to me when Giant offer a new ebike for £999, although I'm not sure how the specs compare.

The new Giant for £999 may only have derailleurs, you are getting a hub gear which is much nicer.
 

Chris the Sheep

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I have a 2012 Twist Esprit Power, but the man's version - as you say, much of the spec is unchanged - the most visible difference is that mine has a horizontal battery on the top of the rack, whereas the 2011 has the vertical mount.

I've done 2500 miles on mine and the only problem I've had has been two broken spokes on the back wheel - easily fixed, happens to most bikes, and I'm no lightweight plus I carry heavy panniers.

I upgraded the brakes to Shimano Deore, because I found the originals to be very weak, especially given the weight of the bike - but you might find it's enough just to put better-quality brake blocks in.

Other than that it's been rock solid - very well built, and no sign of corrosion anywhere despite riding it along the seafront in all weathers. The 7-speed hub has been faultless. The ride is supremely comfortable; the forks seem to be decent quality.

Performance I find to be fine but I use it on the high setting all the time; I easily do a 20-mile return trip on about half the charge. It tops out between 15 and 16mph but the cut off is very gradual so it's easy to ride around that speed. I'm a reasonably fit person and I cycled before I bought this - I often go quicker on the conventional bike, but the Giant is more consistent.

Do test ride it though; this bike doesn't have a throttle (despite its name), and uses a torque-sensor in the cranks. It works very well indeed, feels very natural, but can give the pedals a mushy feel - it is NOT a bike you want to be riding without power.

The only reservation that remains for me is that Giant doesn't like to publish technical data; I haven't sought any detailed answers yet, but there's a possibility you'll find yourself locked into Giant dealerships and having to buy a replacement battery at their price. Others might know different though.


(They don't seem to do the £999 bike now - the cheapest list price is £1199, and yes that does have derailleurs plus a 36v battery - the old £999 bike only had a 26v)
 

flecc

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Giant constantly change these bikes with each year, seemingly change for the sake of change such as side batteries, changing to carrier battery and now back to side batteries. On the positive side is that build quality of Giant bikes is very high and the 8 speed Shimano hub gear is a definite improvement in efficiency and reliability over the 7 speed.

You will be tied to Giant dealers for replacement batteries. I don't know the current price, but four years and more ago when they were only 26 volt 10Ah they cost £300 each, so the current 36 volt side battery is likely to cost rather more now.
 
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IMHO it's better to go with a Woosh, Cyclotricity, Kudos or similar, where everything electrical is standard and modular, so if anything needs replacing, there's loads of sources for parts, and loads of alternative parts for upgrades. The Kudos Safari and City both have Nexus 8 spd for £645.
 

Purleigh Biker

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Thanks for the feedback. My worry is that as the bike is 2011,has the battery degraded whilst in the shop. The battery charge indicator was on the red when I took it out for a demo. ride. Am I right in thinking it should be charged up when not being used to lengthen the life of it?
 

flecc

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Lithium batteries do age whether used or not, so that one will have suffered to some degree, though not necessarily seriously. Much depends on whether it was charged and used for demo rides, if so and the battery wasn't charged subsequently every three months at least over the years, it could have suffered much more. So there is a risk, just as there would be with a second hand purchase.

The advice from d8veh is good as ever, make sure you consider the suggested bikes and other new options first, they are genuinely new and fresh, and their replacement battery prices are often much lower too.