Tesla rubbish

Benjahmin

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American build quality - who knew:rolleyes:. Working installing vehicle security systems some years ago, always dreaded things like Jeep as the trim was likely to break either coming of or going back on. And lets not even mention wiring looms.
Guess the other things are design issues on a new technology, they're blundering around a bit.
 
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I am unfortunate to have to operate an American designed sorting machine in my work, and testify to the general belief of American build quality!
Absolute rubbish!
European Sorting machines are far superior, requiring a third less input from the operator.
But the Royal mail were far too parsimonious to pay the extra.
 
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Similar experience of terrible American build quality in equipment peripheral to the print industry many years ago.

One very large and badly built machine came in a huge wooden crate, which ironically was made of superb quality wood, better than that seen in much of our British furniture.

So good indeed that I turned one side of it into a dining table top!

How weird is that, packaging better quality than the content!
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It's a new car. I used to work in the Auto industry and I was a Quality manager. It's very normal to get issues like that on any brand of car. I used to work with Ford, Toyota. Honda, Rover and Vauxhall. On any new model, there were/are always worse problems than that, but they soon got sorted out. I can remember some terrible bodges on the first runs of cars that were actually sold through the normal showrooms. Nothing stopped the production lines when they started ramping up the volumes of the new models.

That video does highlight some general issues for electric cars, where there's a real danger of electrocution or fires when the fire service try to extract occupants of mangled cars. There needs to be a standard battery disconnection method across all brands that needs to have several different access points to avoid a single one being rendered inaccessible by the accident. The problem is that if it's too easy, vandals will disconnect your battery while you're shopping. Maybe, there should be an auto-disconnect when the air bags go off, or something like that.
 

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Similar experience of terrible American build quality in equipment peripheral to the print industry many years ago.

One very large and badly built machine came in a huge wooden crate, which ironically was made of superb quality wood, better than that seen in much of our British furniture.

So good indeed that I turned one side of it into a dining table top!

How weird is that, packaging better quality than the content!
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.. this from the country that did actually put a man on the moon, invented the integrated circuit, built the it industry as it appears today and makes the proper visegrip...
I would not knock USA engineering.
 

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.. this from the country that did actually put a man on the moon, invented the integrated circuit, built the it industry as it appears today and makes the proper visegrip...
I would not knock USA engineering.
We're speaking of build quality though, not innovation, and that has been too often crap, fact.

Certain very unnecessary space shuttle disasters come to mind.
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.. this from the country that did actually put a man on the moon
While using less computer power than in your smartphone!
 

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The problem is that if it's too easy, vandals will disconnect your battery while you're shopping.
I assume you mean unplug from the charging point?

That's not possible, it's locked in place until released using the remote card to unlock it or open the door lock.
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I assume you mean unplug from the charging point?

That's not possible, it's locked in place until released using the remote card to unlock it or open the door lock.
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Aye but does it repel angle grinders?
 

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Aye but does it repel angle grinders?
It is about time those need to be registered in the same way guns need to be registered. Caught with one in the back of your white van and no registration you get to spend quality time in a police station interrogation room... </grumpy old man rant>
 
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Aye but does it repel angle grinders?
In a busy charge point place?

Not to mention grinding into the up to 120 kW live circuit.

The plug in points are well recessed anyway, so little room to get an angle grinder in.

With around ten years experience the makers have this well thought out and have taken care of the possibilities.
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In a busy charge point place?

Not to mention grinding into the up to 120 kW live circuit.

The plug in points are well recessed anyway, so little room to get an angle grinder in.

With around ten years experience the makers have this well thought out and have taken care of the possibilities.
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My comment was more tongue in cheek, but seriously the cables could easily be cut, and wearing rubber boots or standing on a strip of polystyrene foam wall insulation and a battery power grinder, no problem . What protection is there would be to disconnect power for safety reasons.
Regarding kiwis comment., I find with interest that the law in most European countries is that having something like a kitchen knife in a public place is an offence, without good reason, .. the same might be appropriate for battery powered angle grinders.
 

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What protection is there would be to disconnect power for safety reasons.
There isn't any for disconnecting the charge cable, I daresay the public points rely on internal fusing/RCDs etc for safety.

I find with interest that the law in most European countries is that having something like a kitchen knife in a public place is an offence, without good reason, ..
Here in the UK it can still be an offence with good reason for having it, since the law requires that a knife has to be securely wrapped when in public and not during the legitimate use. And some knives are always illegal, lock knives for example.
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I assume you mean unplug from the charging point?

That's not possible, it's locked in place until released using the remote card to unlock it or open the door lock.
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No. I'm talking about a master battery disconnection point on the car to disable all discharge from the battery, not the charging.
 

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thats a knife ;)
 
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No. I'm talking about a master battery disconnection point on the car to disable all discharge from the battery, not the charging.
Isn't that beyond vandal access with the locked bonnet, underside battery, and very limited ground clearance on these e-cars?

I've never heard of a single case of this in following the e-car subject this decade.
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And some knives are always illegal, lock knives for example.
That's worrying 'cos as a carpenter/electrician Me and my oppo both carry locking stanley knives in our pocket's. Obviously I should be locked up forthwith. Perhaps inside I;d learn some alternative uses:eek:
 

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his tesla comes in a box ;)
 

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