Swizzbee owners please stand up

ITSPETEINIT

Esteemed Pedelecer
Dec 11, 2006
492
0
Mere, Wilts
Der Schweizerish Centurian Panzer!

That's true. My favourite fact about the Swiss is the way they spent a fortune on British Centurian tanks many years ago, then had to lease space in France for training and exercises as there was nowhere suitable in Switzerland. You couldn't make it up! :D
.
Would they have to rent space in France to fight the battles (that never came)? :confused:
I always thought they hid them away in mountain caves when I lived there - so they were in France all the time! :)
Peter
 
Last edited:

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,128
30,555
At least they stopped short of buying an aircraft carrier for their navy Peter. ;)
.
 

ITSPETEINIT

Esteemed Pedelecer
Dec 11, 2006
492
0
Mere, Wilts
More than just the cuckoo clock

Hi Flecc:
Good things come out of Switzerland apart from Cuckoo Clocks (despite centuries of neutrallity).
There's all these good jokes!!
There was a Restaurant in Zurich which had (amongst other things) two very amusing dishes:
1. Mock Turtle Soup, and
2. Real Mock Turtle Soup
You're right: you couldn't make it up! :D
Peter
 

lectureral

Esteemed Pedelecer
Apr 30, 2007
397
60
Suva, Fiji
I guess that I won't be giving a report on the Swizzbee this trip - the dealer in Geneva only has one and it is out all week on a roadshow - he was very helpful and I will call him ahead of next trip to arrange something. He did say that he didn't sell many because they were very expensive but those who had bought them were very happy.
 

Simon

Finding my (electric) wheels
Dec 15, 2006
8
0
Thanks for the quick response Simon.

I wanted to know about those initial two or three crank turns since it would have a more serious effect if having to set off up a steep hill. Even one turn up a 14% or steeper would be very tough.
.
Take your point flecc - never really thought about this before, as haven't had the problem, but I'll keep your comments in mind when I try a few steep ones.

S
 

Simon

Finding my (electric) wheels
Dec 15, 2006
8
0
Hi simon
also what is the bikes top speed :D :) and do you know the bikes total weight many thanx NIGEL.
Nigel - spec weight is quoted at 26kg, including the internal charger, which I gather is standard for the UK market. Haven't checked the weight, but until I moved offices recently I've been carrying it up to the 1st floor - it's certainly easier with the battery pack removed!

As to top speed, it kind of depends on how hard you pedal it ;) - well, off-road, of course. It cruises easily at 15mph or a bit more, 18mph is fairly comfortable (for my fitness level), and I've pushed it to approx mid 20s from time to time. With the variable power input and 3 x 9 gears, I find there's a wide spread of choice between very relaxed pedalling and going hell for leather.
 

nigel

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 18, 2006
467
0
Nigel

Thanx simon
it would appear to be performance wise like the torq ie speed and weight and a lot less cheaper:D NIGEL
 

Simon

Finding my (electric) wheels
Dec 15, 2006
8
0
I noticed that, when I read about the bike; it seems crazy to me, forcing the owner to carry the charger around all the time. I wonder what weight could be saved if there was an external charger?

Mary
That's a very fair point Mary, and I've wondered the same, but at least you've always got it with you! Easy to detach the pack and take into friend's house, pub etc, and boost up the charge before the ride home.

S
 

Simon

Finding my (electric) wheels
Dec 15, 2006
8
0
If I remeber correctly with the new lithium batteries the charger is external (may be also because it should be a bigger one?)
Maybe they've changed it more recently, but mine has the lithium polymer battery pack and internal charger.

Cheers
S
 

2ndSimon

Finding my (electric) wheels
Jul 24, 2007
10
0
Netherlands
Swizzbee owner stands up, this is secondsimon :)

Hello ladies and gentlemen!

Hope you are all doing well. I found this thread sometime ago, and I should post something here, as I happen to own a Swizzbee 50c.

I bought mine as a (supposedly) 1 year old occassion from a private person and eventhough the cycle wasn`t as advertised (the batterypack wasn`t LiPo as the First Simon has in his swizzbee, but NiCd 10 Ah), nevertheless I gave it a try and in short my experiences.

I have to note something about hills, sadly we haven`t got much of them overhere, in Hol(low)land, so therefor I can`t say much about the behaviour on (big) hills. We do have little concrete obstacles, where roads and cyclepaths go over the highways and I never had any problem getting up and even passing other cyclists on them.

The big disadvantages of this cycle: When you are out of juice, YOU are out of juice. What I mean is, it being a fairly heavy cycle, once your batteries are drained, You will become drained shortly after. So the manual driving mode is somewhat heavier, less comfy. Anyway you will get home.. eventually...

Another disadvantage, I managed to interrupt the electronics somehow, and the batteryunit had to be sent back to swizzbee. Good news is though, they have excellent service.

Another thing, there are things which can malfunction, such as the little sensor, which watches your pedalling. In a small casing at the base of the left crank are a few nylon plastic kogwheels. On my swizzbee one of them was basicly a bit loose in the casing, which resulted in the lack of engine support. After a few experiments, this was magically solved.

Some weeks ago, I managed to hit a bird and the poor animal had internal bleeding, so basicly I had to kill it in order to stop the suffering. This is a disadvantage in my eyes, as birds often aren`t prepared for cyclist going
22 mph, which was my speed at that time. So this is something to watch out for.

Now the good news, it is fun! It`s like being a young kid again, playing around on the street. Meanwhile with heavy wind keeping you back, you`ll still manage to speed up to 10 to 15 mph. Not the fastest way to go, but who wants to go fast? I personally believe in a saying "if you live fast, you die young" and besides, I enjoy looking around.

As for the speedminded readers, I managed to speed up to 36 miles an hour on one occassion, sadly I was reaching a turn so I had to use the brakes. However it is really unusual to reach such speeds on a normal boring flat road.


@Simon

Nice to meet you! And I was wondering what the specs for your batteries are, I reckon your swizzbee is configured with at least one LG LiPo 10 Ah battery, however 20 Ah (2 battery units) is optional, just curious, as I am considering the upgrade.

The NiCd battery lasts at about 16 (10 miles) km in my case, though when fighting a tough wind expect 10 km. I use it to pedal between my home and our weekend business which is a 10 km distance, when I reach the store, I simply connect the cycle to the mains (that`s where the built in charger comes in handy!).

I also made some minor changes to the cycle, different handlebars, I fitted Ergon handle bars on it, with little barends, actually looks kind of kinky :)
And I also removed the terrible saddle and replaced it with a ISM ADAMO ROAD saddle. I have to say, these changes were worth it!

If anyone wants to know more about the cycle, feel free to let me know!


Simon
 

Ian

Esteemed Pedelecer
Apr 1, 2007
1,333
0
Leicester LE4, UK.
Simon, thank you for sharing your experiences. Swizzbees are very rare in the UK, most of us have never even seen one and it's always interesting to read first hand reports.
 

2ndSimon

Finding my (electric) wheels
Jul 24, 2007
10
0
Netherlands
Swizzbee owner stands up

Hello Ian,

Thank you for the welcome. The swizzbees are rare in Holland aswell, as there is a conflict between the dealer and Swizzbee and therefor the dealership ended. When I went for a pedelec I, at first, had my heart set on a Swiss Flyer, however this brand was carried by the same company which carried Swizzbee. And I don`t really like the attitude of the company. So when I learned, there was a conflict between the company and Swizzbee. I decided
to go Swizzbee. At the same time, a one in a million chance, this occassion was offered..

Just a brief update on the swizzbee, I was cycling it last Saturday and "tink"..
Hmmz... Odd I couldn`t cycle anymore. What happened was, the drive belt snapped. Anyways, another interesting discovery was made, when the drive belt snaps, it is no longer possible to manually cycle.

As the kogwheel which supports the drive belt in the rear hub, basicly seems to need a tiny bit of friction in order for the other side, the pedal side to function. I haven`t verified this at swizzbee yet, actually just sent an email. But if this occurs, the workaround is simple.

So Swizzbee owners, make sure you have a rope, or strong nylon band in the repairkit. Just in case the belt does snap halfway home, you can secure the kogwheel to the frame and still cycle...

On Sunday I went to the store with my normal cycle and I have to note that I again almost hit a bird! So this bird accident with the swizzbee wasn`t really the cycles fault.

I do have one dream, I would like to maybe add an engine in the front wheel, has anyone on the forum ever tried a 2 wheel drive pedelec, or am I just mad?

Simon
 

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,128
30,555
I do have one dream, I would like to maybe add an engine in the front wheel, has anyone on the forum ever tried a 2 wheel drive pedelec, or am I just mad?

Simon
This has been done on occasions Simon. The most extreme I know of was a Giant Twist which has the Panasonic motor unit driving the rear wheel through the chain like the Bike Flyer/Gazelle bikes

To this the owner added a 24 volt high speed Heinzmann hub motor in the front wheel giving 19 mph on that, and since both batteries were on the bike, the Heinzmann's one in the carrier mount, it was switchable to one or two motor power.

Not too extreme so far, but the owner also had a tiny Honda generator on top of the carrier which could do the recharging while riding, so three motors in all.

I doubt you'll think your dream is mad after that! :)
.
 

2ndSimon

Finding my (electric) wheels
Jul 24, 2007
10
0
Netherlands
Hello Flecc nice to meet you!

Thank you very much for this interesting information, that does sound a bit extreme! Luckily for me it is still just a fantasy, and I am still thinking if I should a) just add an e-hub to my recumbent or add one to the swizzbee ( I like the low profile version by protanium.com, which also lets me keep the discbrake).

I probally should post it on another thread or open a new one, regarding regenerate options, since some people have told me this is meaningless. I am curious what bionx owners and the like have to say about it.

And well another mad dream: a solar/wind station, charging a battery, and than hooking the swizzbee up to the battery. Eventually it would be sweet to generate hydrogen out of solar distilled water and than use hydrogen to run a generator with fuelcell to charge the swizzbee.. Well lots of possibilities.

Simon
 

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,128
30,555
And there has a been a hydrogen fuel cell powered bike as well Simon, a recumbent trike in fact, with a 1000 lbs pressure hydrogen tank alongside the rear wheel. It had quite a long range, over 50 miles, and the chap who created it could make another for someone, but I think the price was something like £40,000 from memory. :(

The consensus of opinion on regeneration is that bikes simply do not have enough mass or speed to make it worthwhile. I think the best way to recover energy is to let gravity achieve the highest speed downhill to carry the bike as far as possible from the foot of the hill. That avoids the losses due to energy conversion, and since I've reached as much as 41 mph (66 kph) it's much more fun. :D

The most recent bike to try regeneration is the latest Giant Twist, but A to B magazine in their UK test were unable to measure any recovery of energy.

A to B have also used solar panels power to charge an NiMh Giant Lafree battery for some years, but did find the slow charge rate tended to unbalance the cells charge status, something which doesn't happen with the correct charger. They concluded it would be best used to charge lead acid batteries like old car batteries first, then use those to do a faster charge of the bike battery.
.
 
Last edited:

2ndSimon

Finding my (electric) wheels
Jul 24, 2007
10
0
Netherlands
Goodevening flecc,

And thank you for this extra information, the most realistic thing to do is probally to go with solar in combination with a gel battery or the like, as a closed system. And simply recharge the cycle by hooking it up.

Regarding hydrogen, the swizzbee also has a hydrogen version, for testing only, it has been said that it`s range is 120 km, which is pretty cool. However with 2 engines in my swizzbee and two descent batterypacks (both LiPo) I should be able to have a 120 km aswell.

I am going to google a bit lateron.
Have a nice day!
Simon