Suntour HESC system doesn't work after replacing pedal sensor.

UnclePuncher

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May 26, 2021
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Nottingham
Hi all,

We've had an issue on a customers bike (I work for a bike charity). It's a Suntour HESC system. There is no throttle and no walk mode.

Someone removed the chain set not realising the pedal sensor is mounted to the chain set on these bikes. It ripped off. I should add here that they didn't check the bike was working before doing this (although no reason to suspect it wasn't). It was a bottom bracket, chain and cassette replacement. Nothing electrical. Needless to say the sensor doesn't work anymore.

We sourced a replacement and I fitted it today. It powers up but the motor doesn't turn when pedals are turned.

If I unplug the pedal sensor I get an error. If I unplug the motor I get an error.

We have a more modern bike with the same system. So I tried swapping over the chain set (didn't work).

I also tried the customers wheel in our bike (worked fine - so the motor is good).

Tried our wheel on customer's bike and nothing happened.

Can't try our pedal sensor on customers bike as the plugs are different.

I've tried disconnecting the battery to let the system power down fully to reset but no joy.

I suspect the error is the replacement pedal sensor we purchased or the controller. But the system is powering up so I'm less sure it's the controller. Alternatively it's the motor lead but it's half epoxied into the controller and I get an error code when I disconnect the motor so it's doing something. We have a spare motor cable too but it's meant for a later model that isn't covered in epoxy.

I even have spare controllers but they're the more modern type so won't fit unfortunately.

Any suggestions? Am I missing something obvious? Is there a fuse or something?

No photos of the bike I'm afraid as it's a customer's but I've attached photos of the same model controller. As you can see it's not got any menus or anything I can access to change settings. Plus no walk mode.

Pedal sensor looks like this:

Crank looks like this:

Controller looks like this:

Battery has about 50% charge. So it's not that.

Thanks
 

matthewslack

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Just to be clear, there are links to images of three components, but you have only replaced the pedal sensor, not both the pedal sensor and the torque sensor?
 
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saneagle

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Ok it may be me confusion. As far as I'm aware it's a torque sensor. Not a pedal sensor.
This is the bit we replaced.

I'm used to Chinese ebikes were it's called a PAS sensor. I believe they don't have a torque sensor.
It's both and you can test in. Assuming that you have the 4 wire version, there are 4 wires: Red 5v and black ground to provide the 5v to power it, which leaves two signal wires. One signal wire pulses with 5v as you rotate the crank to give the pedal speed. The other gives an analogue 0v to 5v depending on the pedal force. To measure the pulsing you need to turn the crank very slowly.
 
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saneagle

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Apologies all. I'm an idiot. I've never worked on one of these. They don't kick in when in the stand. You have to actually stand on the pedals. Test rode it and it's fine.

Incredibly annoying.
If you don't want to pedal so hard to get full power, you can remove one or two springs from the torque sensor. There are 5 of them that link the inner and outer parts. One end of each spring is on a spigot and the other is just butted against its stop, so you can lever that end out with a screwdriver to remove the spring. For each one you remove, you get the same power profile with 20% less pedal effort.
 
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matthewslack

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Apologies all. I'm an idiot. I've never worked on one of these. They don't kick in when in the stand. You have to actually stand on the pedals. Test rode it and it's fine.

Incredibly annoying.
That's a torque sensor for you!

Good to know that the spare you found was compatible with what you had. Experience is the best teacher with unusual systems.
 
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UnclePuncher

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May 26, 2021
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It's both and you can test in. Assuming that you have the 4 wire version, there are 4 wires: Red 5v and black ground to provide the 5v to power it, which leaves two signal wires. One signal wire pulses with 5v as you rotate the crank to give the pedal speed. The other gives an analogue 0v to 5v depending on the pedal force. To measure the pulsing you need to turn the crank very slowly.
Thanks. That's very good to know for next time.

We don't work on many ebikes. Still lots to learn.