Storm Eowyn

[Woosh]

Let's summarise that. The Artic is getting warmer due to global warming, even though the ice mass is getting larger, so the warmer air from it is making it colder to form deep depressions. Yup, that must be it.

I reckon that's because the warmer sub artic regions strengthen the jetstream which always has warm air on one side and cold air on the other side. Stronger jetstream accentuates depressions in the polar regions. Just check out how people lower temperature in the labs.

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[lenny]

"Weather maps have revealed the exact moment a colossal 268-mile snow front is set to sweep across the UK - mere hours after Storm Éowyn lashes the nation.

The vast snowstorm is expected to impact regions in Wales, as well as the Midlands and Yorkshire during the early morning of January 26. According to WX Charts, the stretch from North Devon Coast to the Holderness coast in East Riding of Yorkshire will be in the firing line. The snowfall is predicted to persist until about 9am, potentially wreaking havoc on traffic due to the heavy flurries."

Maps show exact time 268-mile band of snow will hit UK after Storm Eowyn

Rain, sleet and snow will sweep across the UK just hours after Storm Éowyn

www.examinerlive.co.uk

 

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[matthewslack]

Let's summarise that. The Artic is getting warmer due to global warming, even though the ice mass is getting larger, so the warmer air from it is making it colder to form deep depressions. Yup, that must be it.

Ice mass getting larger?

 

[saneagle]

Ice mass getting larger?

Yup. Use Google. Every chart shows it. The ice always increases from Autumn through the winter. There is more ice now than there was last month, when there were no storms, nor any wind to drive the windmills.

 

[matthewslack]

Yup. Use Google. Every chart shows it. The ice always increases from Autumn through the winter. There is more ice now than there was last month, when there were no storms, nor any wind to drive the windmills.

You had me going for a moment there! Thought you were talking about year to year trends rather than sub-year seasonal changes.

Charctic from NSIDC is a useful visualiser.

 

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[Ghost1951]

The planet has a history of various climactic arrangements. It has been vastly hotter than now, and vastly colder. There were times when crocodiles lived near the Antarctic and near the Arctic regions. We can find their fossils there. There were also times when most of the planet aside from the tropics was covered in ice.

Mostly, these climactic variations have been due to orbital cycles and variations in the inclination of the earth's rotation which are a result of gravitational interactions with the massive planet Jupiter which contains 71% of all the planetary mass of the solar system. Jupiter has 318 times the mass of earth and 318 times the gravitational influence. It influences how the earth behaves on regular cycles

But now we have another variable in the cycles that the planet and the solar system create. We have been digging up vast amounts of fossilised carbon - stuff that was laid down over aeons of time, and buried, and we have burned it and put the carbon into the atmosphere.

Anyone who doesn't think that the measured rise in mean global temperature of 1.34 C which has occurred since about 1850, is real - most of it having occurred since about 1960, just hasn't been to school, or didn't pay attention when he was there.

It is real. It will have an effect on our lives, our ability to grow food, and where we live. It won't all be bad, but some of it will be. How bad it will be depends on where you live. Most of us on this forum live in a pretty cool part of the world. Billions of humans don't. They won't stay in the impossible to live hot areas. They will come to where we lucky ones live.

We in our cool little island had this violent weather episode because very cold air from the Arctic moved down to warm moist air from the lower latitudes and since the two can't mix, being of very different temperature, the warm air rises up over the cold air and drags in air from around about. That is what makes the wind. The bigger the temperature difference, the more rapidly the warm air rises and the greater the wind speed at the lower levels. We broke a record today. Ireland had 114 mph winds. A million people in Ireland and the UK are not connected to the power grid because the lines are down. In Northumberland, we had 85 mph gusts and thousands of the people were cut off from mains power.

Is this the end of the world as lunatics from Just Stop Oil think?

I don't think so, but it is happening because we have changed the climate through releasing 2000, billion metric tonnes of co2 to the atmosphere over the last two hundred years. If we keep doing this, we might have to make very big changes to how we live, where we live and who lives where. Our descendants will have a very different world to live in than we have had and I think billions of us will have to disappear because the planet will not support our agriculture in a warmer world to maintain our current numbers.

 

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I don't think so, but it is happening because we have changed the climate through releasing 2000, billion metric tonnes of co2 to the atmosphere over the last two hundred years. If we keep doing this, we might have to make very big changes to how we live, where we live and who lives where. Our descendants will have a very different world to live in than we have had.

 

[saneagle]

We had 104 mph winds in Southend when I was trying to dig bait in 1964. This storm Eowyn is nothing by comparison. Was there global warming in 1964 or is it a recent invention? The icecaps must have been very warm in 1964 to cause the cold air that makes the depression, though I don't remember them mentioning ice cap temperatures in 1964.

Also, there was the massive depression that caused the storm surge on 31 Jan 1953 that sank Canvey Island and most of the East cost. According to the climate change charts, the Arctic ice cap was substantially bigger then. So, what makes the biggest depressions - small or large ice caps, or neither?

Record wind gust in Southend was 119 mph. That was also before the ice caps supposedly shrank.

 

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[Ghost1951]

We had 104 mph winds in Southend when I was trying to dig bait in 1964. This storm Eowyn is nothing by comparison. Was there global warming in 1964 or is it a recent invention? The icecaps must have been very warm in 1964 to cause the cold air that makes the depression, though I don't remember them mentioning ice cap temperatures in 1964.

Also, there was the massive depression that caused the storm surge on 31 Jan 1953 that sank Canvey Island and most of the East cost. According to the climate change charts, the Arctic ice cap was substantially bigger then. So, what makes the biggest depressions - small or large ice caps, or neither?

Record wind gust in Southend was 119 mph. That was also before the ice caps supposedly shrank.

During the 1953 North Sea Flood, the air pressure over the North Sea dropped to 964 milibars. This low pressure system, combined with a high spring tide and strong winds, caused a tidal surge that flooded large areas of the North Sea coast. 307 people died in England near the Lincolnshire coast. The impact was worse on the continent. 1835 people died in Belgium and the Netherlands and 200,000 farm animals drowned.

Your remarks on the great North Sea Flood are a distortion of the facts. The main issue was the tide combined with wind and low pressure.

During Storm Eowen, the pressure dropped to 927 milibars when it was off North West Scotland.

Eowen was obviously a much deeper depression than the North Sea Flood. 927mb and not 964. It did not coincide with high tides so its impact was only wind.

The atmosphere is warmer and wetter. This increased temperature and water content through greater evaporation, make for much more violent storms when air masses at very different temperature coincide. Unless you wilfully ignore the facts, that should be obvious.

Nobody is saying we never had bad storms before. They ARE saying we will get more of them and they will sometimes be much more violent.

 

[Ghost1951]

Record wind gust in Southend was 119 mph. That was also before the ice caps supposedly shrank.

What do you mean before the ice caps SUPPOSEDLY shrank.

They have shrunk. It is a fact. You can drive ships all over the Arctic Ocean these days when you never could in our historic past.

Have you got an encyclopedia of alternative facts somewhere?

Svalbard Glacier in the past and more recently

 

[Ghost1951]

Northern Power Grid say that at 1.30 on 24th, 34934 people in Northumberland and Durham were off the grid due to the storm.

My place was off for about 7 hours.

 

[saneagle]

During the 1953 North Sea Flood, the air pressure over the North Sea dropped to 964 milibars. This low pressure system, combined with a high spring tide and strong winds, caused a tidal surge that flooded large areas of the North Sea coast. 307 people died in England near the Lincolnshire coast. The impact was worse on the continent. 1835 people died in Belgium and the Netherlands and 200,000 farm animals drowned.

Your remarks on the great North Sea Flood are a distortion of the facts. The main issue was the tide combined with wind and low pressure.

During Storm Eowen, the pressure dropped to 927 milibars when it was off North West Scotland.

Eowen was obviously a much deeper depression than the North Sea Flood. 927mb and not 964. It did not coincide with high tides so its impact was only wind.

The atmosphere is warmer and wetter. This increased temperature and water content through greater evaporation, make for much more violent storms when air masses at very different temperature coincide. Unless you wilfully ignore the facts, that should be obvious.

Nobody is saying we never had bad storms before. They ARE saying we will get more of them and they will sometimes be much more violent.

They're categorically not as violent. Eowyn knocked down a few power lines and probably tipped some trucks. It didn't sink half of the East Coast, nor did it flatten half the South Coast like the 1987 one did. Also, there was the one in 1990 that flattened entire forests when I was in Germany. We had the snow that lasted from New year to March in 1960, and the summers of 1975 and 76 that dried mature rivers. When was the last time we had anything like those events. Now we get one hot day and the BBC go into meltdown.

 

[Ghost1951]

They're categorically not as violent. Eowyn knocked down a few power lines and probably tipped some trucks. It didn't sink half of the East Coast, nor did it flatten half the South Coast like the 1987 one did. Also, there was the one in 1990 that flattened entire forests when I was in Germany. We had the snow that lasted from New year to March in 1960, and the summers of 1975 and 76 that dried mature rivers. When was the last time we had anything like those events. Now we get one hot day and the BBC go into meltdown.

Oh really. The Met Office says Storm Éowyn was the strongest storm to affect the British Isles in the last ten years.

Éowyn 'probably strongest storm' to hit UK in 10 years, says Met Office

More than a million properties left without power at height of storm that brought gusts of up to 114mph.

www.bbc.co.uk

If you get your information from the toilet of alternative news sites you will get all kinds of crap.

 

[Ghost1951]

Twenty four hours after the worst of the storm, 50,000 people in Scotland are without electrical power and 189,000 homes and businesses in Northern Ireland are in the same boat.

In NI, a statement from the Department for Infrastructure said: "There were over 2,300 reported obstructions on the road network during the storm including hundreds on motorways."

The managing director of NIE Networks said Storm Éowyn caused "devastating levels of damage" to the electricity network in Northern Ireland.

"We've never seen anything like that," Derek Hynes told BBC News NI.

He said the NIE has "issued requests across Europe and into GB," and to the UK government for support.

"We're hoping over the next few days that we will see people pouring onto the island through Belfast, through Dublin, to come here and support us," he said.

"Almost one third of the people here have no power," said Mr Hynes.

Storm Éowyn: 185,000 without power in Northern Ireland

The clear-up operation is continuing after Storm Éowyn caused chaos across Northern Ireland.

www.bbc.co.uk

In Ireland, ESB Networks who run the grid said on their blog: "Storm Éowyn brought unprecedented, widespread and extensive damage to electricity infrastructure resulting in 768,000 customers losing supply earlier today. (24th).

On Saturday 25th at 1530, the the network provider website said:

"Given the extent of the damage nationwide, we anticipate full restoration will take more than a week in the worst impacted areas. Estimated restoration times (ERTs) will be provided as network faults are assessed and these will be available to view throughout Saturday and Sunday on www.PowerCheck.ie "


Meanwhile a fellow in Telford having apparently consulted alternative information sources said- Nothing to see here.

"Eowyn knocked down a few power lines and probably tipped some trucks."

ESB Networks restore power to 143,000 homes, farms and businesses this afternoon: 625,000 remain without electricity supply. 5:40pm Friday, 24th January 2025

 

[Woosh]

Meanwhile a pundit in Telford having consulted alternative information sources said- Nothing to see here.

"Eowyn knocked down a few power lines and probably tipped some trucks."

To be fair, saneagle ony related to his personal observations. No external sources.

 

[Ghost1951]

To be fair, saneagle ony related to his personal observations. No external sources.

Telford wasn't affected, so the reports about trouble must be rubbish.

 

[saneagle]

Oh really. The Met Office says Storm Éowyn was the strongest storm to affect the British Isles in the last ten years.

Éowyn 'probably strongest storm' to hit UK in 10 years, says Met Office

More than a million properties left without power at height of storm that brought gusts of up to 114mph.

www.bbc.co.uk

If you get your information from the toilet of alternative news sites you will get all kinds of crap.

Maybe, but not in the last 50 or 100 years. These things have been happening every ten years orso since records began. The weather changes from day to day and occasionally we get extreme events. There's nothing new that I can see.