This is exactly all that will happen.
Just make sure your ok and everything will be fine.
Just make sure your ok and everything will be fine.
I'm really getting sick to the back teeth of your personal insults.
If you want to argue the point then fine and I'll happily have a debate with you but cease with the insults.
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My initial post was in answer to this work of genius
Oh, and the old argument "they'll ruin it for the rest of us and get ebikes banned!".
Have we seen road cars banned because Ferrai, Mclaren, Mercedes etc now produce cars capable of 200mph? No, we haven't.
The worst that would happen is that the enforcement of current legislation will become stricter and that would only affect those outside of the legislation anyway. Those goody two shoes types who only consider strictly legal bikes (I know, I'm being flippant) will be able to carry on blissfully unaware.
My initial post was in answer to this work of genius
Oh, and the old argument "they'll ruin it for the rest of us and get ebikes banned!".
Have we seen road cars banned because Ferrai, Mclaren, Mercedes etc now produce cars capable of 200mph? No, we haven't.
The worst that would happen is that the enforcement of current legislation will become stricter and that would only affect those outside of the legislation anyway. Those goody two shoes types who only consider strictly legal bikes (I know, I'm being flippant) will be able to carry on blissfully unaware.
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1: It was quoted out of context.
2: Again with the personal attacks.
If you think what I wrote was wrong then dissect and attack the argument not the person. Attacking the person reduces your credibility.
Don't succumb to the internet faux pas of "ad homien".
As far as I can see, if someone asks a supplier for a motor that will do 50mph, the fact that it is electric as opposed to petrol is inconsequential. They should be told that such a bike will have to registered, taxed, insured etc. The fact is that cycle parts are not really good enough for those sort of speeds. Brakes, tyres, steering head, shock absorbers, mudguards, lights will all have to comply with motor vehicle standards.
To fear that an idiot abusing the rules will bring problems down on all of us is not at all unreasonable or 'Moronic'
Just one horrible accident involving school children and a high speed, illegal electric bike could do it. Joe Public does not understand electric bikes as we all know and boy, does he love his prejudices.
Always remember the law of 'Unintended Consequences'
To fear that an idiot abusing the rules will bring problems down on all of us is not at all unreasonable or 'Moronic'
Just one horrible accident involving school children and a high speed, illegal electric bike could do it. Joe Public does not understand electric bikes as we all know and boy, does he love his prejudices.
Always remember the law of 'Unintended Consequences'
Wikipedia: "Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to attack his claim or invalidate his argument, but can also involve pointing out true character flaws or actions that are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions."
That sounds exactly like what has been going on around here...
That sounds exactly like what has been going on around here...
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Hi Mike,
I did attempt to explain to the gentleman that there were regulations regarding using such a conversion kit on public roads, cycle paths etc., but he was not interested in what I had to say and responded with "I am not a child".
I felt there was no point in continuing the conversation.
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You're all missing something. There's no need to panic. If you remember, it's a recumbent tricycle - not a bike. It may even be fully enclosed. The public/police/MPs/anyone else are more likely to see it as a car rather than a bike.
There's no need to panic because if a bloke gets caught driving his Ferrari down the M1 at 200mph it isn't suddenly going to see every other car banned from the road. And they won't introduce a law banning drivers from doing 200mph on the M1, as that law is already in place.
It's the same with "illegal" electric bikes - if a chap has an accident whilst his electric bike is propelling him along at 25mph it's him that's going to get the book thrown at him. It's unlikely to affect the "legal" use of electric bikes at all - they aren't going to introduce new ligislation to curb the use of "illegal" electric bikes because the legislation is already in place.
What might happen is they may chose to enforce that legislation more effectively - but that wouldn't affect "legal" ebike owners in any way (other than the odd routine stop/check).
What will affect the use of "legal" electric bikes will be accidents involving "legal" electric bikes so in effect it's all the "legal" ebike users that need to take extra care ;-)
Think about it.
It's the same with "illegal" electric bikes - if a chap has an accident whilst his electric bike is propelling him along at 25mph it's him that's going to get the book thrown at him. It's unlikely to affect the "legal" use of electric bikes at all - they aren't going to introduce new ligislation to curb the use of "illegal" electric bikes because the legislation is already in place.
What might happen is they may chose to enforce that legislation more effectively - but that wouldn't affect "legal" ebike owners in any way (other than the odd routine stop/check).
What will affect the use of "legal" electric bikes will be accidents involving "legal" electric bikes so in effect it's all the "legal" ebike users that need to take extra care ;-)
Think about it.
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Well, I hope you are right.
The problem is that if something awful happens, first of all newspaper feature writers will publish inaccurate allegations in general and while we are on the back foot trying to make our case, rag bag politicians like Willgabble Havequote MP will demand that the law be tightened. Follow the situation re hand guns sice 1918, every so often something happened and the law was tightened.
As for your Ferrari, in the early 1960's there was no upper speed limit. Then Aston Martin tested their Le Mans model on the M1 at 165mph. Probably most people didn't care, but the newspapers orchestrated an outcry, result was the 70 mph limit.
The problem is that if something awful happens, first of all newspaper feature writers will publish inaccurate allegations in general and while we are on the back foot trying to make our case, rag bag politicians like Willgabble Havequote MP will demand that the law be tightened. Follow the situation re hand guns sice 1918, every so often something happened and the law was tightened.
As for your Ferrari, in the early 1960's there was no upper speed limit. Then Aston Martin tested their Le Mans model on the M1 at 165mph. Probably most people didn't care, but the newspapers orchestrated an outcry, result was the 70 mph limit.
With respect Amigafan, I really fail to follow your logic. In particular, I cannot reconcile two of your conclusions and forgive me if I quote:
Indalo
That bit I understand but when you add later,
I'm afraid you have lost me.
Indalo
Actually it was a Cobra being tested on the M1 ;-)
Still I get your point but it's appropriate to point out that in the "M1" scenario there was no legislation dictating maximum speed, a problem was noticed and legislation introduced to resolve the problem. However, that legislation did not in itself stop people speeding on the motorway, so an enforcement strategy was devised to support the legislation- a process that is still ongoing today and constantly being revised with GATSO's and average speed cameras etc.
In our case there IS legislation that dictates power, speed and age thus there would be little justification for introducing further legislation just because someone was in breach if a pre-existing peice of legislation - i.e. if someone is caught doing 25mph on an ebike then reducing the speed limit from 17mph to say 12mph isn't going to do anything is it? As I say, the most pertinent option available to the judiciary in that scenario isn't greater legislation but rather stricter or more effective enforcement to support the pre-existing legislation.
Trust me, I'm a lawyer
I'll try again.
Accidents on "illegal" ebikes are unlikely to affect "legal" ebike users because the "illegal" ebike user is acting outside of the legislation.
Accidents involving "legal" ebikes are much more likely to affect "legal" ebike users because it would be much more likely to result in the ebike legislation being reviewed.
In case that isn't understandable, lets look at a scenario:-
1: Illegal ebike user crashes into a pedestrian @ 25mph on a cycle path. Court conclusion would be "riding an uninsured, unliscensed and unregistered vehicle in a restricted area" which would attract the appropriate punishment, even if the user was deemed to not be responsible for the accident. Ebike legislation wouldn't be called into question as quite clearly the rider is NOT riding an ebike therefore the legislation does not aplpy. The only point for which the ebike legislation would be consulted would be to determine if the machine was an ebike or not.
2: Legal ebike user crashes into a pedestrain @ 15mph on a cycle path. Court finds user not at fault but requests a judicial review of ebike legislation to consider if 15mph is the appropriate limit for ebikes and if ebikes should be allowed on cycle paths.
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Not fully the case. The 70 limit introduced in December 1965 was experimental only after a series of accidents in dense fogs and was abandoned after four months.
In 1967 it was brought back for all UK roads, not just motorways. The AC Cobra testing story is apocryphal, though it did occur it had nothing to do with the limit introduction.
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