Yes I would agree that it's very unlikely. However as said earlier in post some people are starting to take notice and one bad accident would probably bring extra scrutiny. It would be very frustrating to spend a lot of money and then be afraid to use it
should ktm bikes sell sclass bikes without proof of private land.
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"VIENNA, Austria – The total number of e-bikes and e-MTB sold on the Austrian market hiked last year by 54.4% to 77,220 units. “Nearly one-fifth of all bicycles sold in Austria is an e-bike,” notes Alexander Raffeiner of the Austrian sporting goods industry association VSSÖ."
Now wouldn't that be a country with a sane s-pedelec law? Maybe a sane s-pedelec law is good for sales?
Now wouldn't that be a country with a sane s-pedelec law? Maybe a sane s-pedelec law is good for sales?
if you are using an s-pedelec ''illegally'' eg, on road without licence / insurance etc you run the RISK of getting caught, having your bike seized in order to carry out a full examination and then suffer the consequences if it is discovered that it is an s-pedelec or a pedelec that has been doctored by fitting of a dongle or other similar device.....
Yes, you could probably run around on it for years without getting caught , but is it worth it ? Worrying that today may be the day ??
The police service have their own in house vehicle examiners - All fully trained city and guilds etc trained mechanics / examiners - These are classed as ''expert witnesses'' for court purposes. If the in house bods are unable to fully satisfy the requirements for a vehicle examination - then they call in experts with more qualifications than pages of Oxford Dictionary. They also call on the MANUFACTURERS to inspect the vehicle and then request a full report / statement and APPEAR IN COURT to state that the vehicle is an S- PEDELEC / ADAPTED PEDELEC ...resulting IN HEAVY FINES and confiscation of your pride and joy - squashed in a crusher and never seen again !!! Yes you can go down the road of a High Court case review on the courts sentencing but your money will run out first.
So in a nutshell what I am trying to say is;-
The manufacturers have to cover their backsides, in laymans terms, legally against possible future litigation. If they cant do that then they can choose who / where they sell their products.
Its like going into a pub - Yes they sell beer - but the Licensee can choose who to sell it to and does not have to give a reason.
Unfortunately its the odd bad apple that spoils it for everyone...Yes there will be those amongst us that want an S-PEDELEC so we can use it on our own ' private land' or want to compete in races designed purely for that type of vehicle, however some then decide '' well its only a quick burst along the high street , or a short blast along a tow path or forest track'' which ends up in a collision / complaints of anti social behaviour and results in the heavy hand of the law being involved...and ultimately a review on the use / legaility of electric bikes....
Until the laws change - be happy with what we have got..Dont muck it up for the rest of us. Many forget that using an s-pedelec on roads or public places ( ref Road Traffic Act 1988 ) has the same requirements / restrictions as those using motorcycles.
If you want to buy and ride a de-restricted electric cycle - Register / insure it and get a licence etc..
Yes, you could probably run around on it for years without getting caught , but is it worth it ? Worrying that today may be the day ??
The police service have their own in house vehicle examiners - All fully trained city and guilds etc trained mechanics / examiners - These are classed as ''expert witnesses'' for court purposes. If the in house bods are unable to fully satisfy the requirements for a vehicle examination - then they call in experts with more qualifications than pages of Oxford Dictionary. They also call on the MANUFACTURERS to inspect the vehicle and then request a full report / statement and APPEAR IN COURT to state that the vehicle is an S- PEDELEC / ADAPTED PEDELEC ...resulting IN HEAVY FINES and confiscation of your pride and joy - squashed in a crusher and never seen again !!! Yes you can go down the road of a High Court case review on the courts sentencing but your money will run out first.
So in a nutshell what I am trying to say is;-
The manufacturers have to cover their backsides, in laymans terms, legally against possible future litigation. If they cant do that then they can choose who / where they sell their products.
Its like going into a pub - Yes they sell beer - but the Licensee can choose who to sell it to and does not have to give a reason.
Unfortunately its the odd bad apple that spoils it for everyone...Yes there will be those amongst us that want an S-PEDELEC so we can use it on our own ' private land' or want to compete in races designed purely for that type of vehicle, however some then decide '' well its only a quick burst along the high street , or a short blast along a tow path or forest track'' which ends up in a collision / complaints of anti social behaviour and results in the heavy hand of the law being involved...and ultimately a review on the use / legaility of electric bikes....
Until the laws change - be happy with what we have got..Dont muck it up for the rest of us. Many forget that using an s-pedelec on roads or public places ( ref Road Traffic Act 1988 ) has the same requirements / restrictions as those using motorcycles.
If you want to buy and ride a de-restricted electric cycle - Register / insure it and get a licence etc..
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police stations have cctv.....cctv is everywhere...big brother is watching you !!
i ride past there all the time and past police cars never had a problem. i got cctv as well
bosch can not prove a dongle has been used and i can take it of and just press reset and bike back to normal.
why do you think ebike shop will fit dongles and honer the warranty.
bosch can not prove a dongle has been used and i can take it of and just press reset and bike back to normal.
why do you think ebike shop will fit dongles and honer the warranty.
SW -- So...One day your riding along the High Street, enjoying your bike and admiring the view when suddenly you are stopped by the local law enforcement , a proper cop not a plastic PCSO and the officers asks you to step off your bike as he suspects / has information / or you are subject to a roadside vehicle examination ...He takes hold of your cycle and commences an inspection of your cycle at the roadside - as he has authority to test and inspect ALL classes of vehicles in accordance with section 67(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 - he does not have to ask your permission.
Can you at this point remove your dongle and reset your device while the officer has hold of your bike and is watching you like a hawk??
If you start umm and ahhhing and trying stalling techniques with the officer he will instantly suspect you are up to something and you risk ''Obstructing a Constable'' or even worse Attempting to Pervert ( no that's not rolf harris ) the course of justice...
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Can you at this point remove your dongle and reset your device while the officer has hold of your bike and is watching you like a hawk??
If you start umm and ahhhing and trying stalling techniques with the officer he will instantly suspect you are up to something and you risk ''Obstructing a Constable'' or even worse Attempting to Pervert ( no that's not rolf harris ) the course of justice...
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I want to buy a de-restricted electric cycle and am happy to Register / insure it in the same way that others do in other European countries. I can't but see no reason why I should not enjoy the same transport options as others.
If I wish to commute legally at a sensible pace I can register and insure a superbike but not an electric cycle.
Where is the FKin sense in that? This is exactly why people go Bollks and just get one anyway.
How can you prosecute someone for riding and uninsured vehicle if the law makes it impossible to insure the vehicle in the first place?
Personally I think there is a hidden agenda against the promotion of small personal electric vehicles.
This agenda is most likely driven by back handers from the oil companies secretly paid to various government officials to squash the competition.
You are not alone in your thoughts. More driven by the manufacturers of mopeds and motorcycles likely as not.
I don't buy into "user protection" as a reason for keeping them off the roads because user protection for any other category of vehicle means taking courses and passing a drivers test. That could be easily done with a s-pedelec. Number plate, tax of 0$ because it is a green vehicle, insurance and approved cycling helmet obligatory.
The motorcycle and moped interests are the ones blocking the independent throttle on pedelecs.
Their agenda with the S bikes is one of annoyance that they are effectively mopeds but escape much of the regulations. They want them to be treated equally, but the EU won't accept that due to the status quo in Germany.
But they are not the ones blocking the S class from being in the UK. That is solely due to the DfT being opposed to it at present.
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The UK Civil Service has a lot to answer for over the years, who remembers their horror at CB radio?
It swept the world, but we could not have it in the UK, apparently because the radios the government issued to our emergency services were substandard and could not cope with CB transmissions.
I have changed my mind about the EU and will be voting to stay in, just to protect us from our own form of government.
It swept the world, but we could not have it in the UK, apparently because the radios the government issued to our emergency services were substandard and could not cope with CB transmissions.
I have changed my mind about the EU and will be voting to stay in, just to protect us from our own form of government.
CB'ers missed a trick back then, they wanted us to be on VHF, that would have been so much better for talking in the UK.
No, but the producers may well do. Modern TV's are all larger computers that are tracking /watching our usage, down loading all our user habits.
Apologies for going off track.
From memory original (grey import / illegal) ones were AM. Ones actually approved for use in the UK were FM.
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