Shortlist down to 2 (Orbea/Wisper) - Thoughts/Comments

[JuicyBike]

BEBA is the name of a masonic lodge

Ha! It's open for all in the industry to join, now as the Bicycle Association of GB with specialist groups such as the E-Bike Group (mainly ex-BEBA). Nothing sinister about it.
I'm sure the appropriate person will divulge all when there's something clear to say.
Now, does anyone know how to untie a trouser leg... or should I start another Thread?

 

[trex]

I haven't got a clue what BEBA past and present have achieved for the community. Isn't it one of those acronyms like the guild of master double-glazers or some thing such, that companies pay £100 per annum for their own marketing purpose.

 

[Kudoscycles]

David (Amps).....sorry about my misunderstanding about your website,but maybe it's operation is not obvious....I get talked into new ideas by IT guys that are not always practical but need hindsight to reveal the effect.
My wish to avoid membership of BEBA was borne out by the end result...anyway I don't approve of closed meetings,these decisions affect us all so democratically the discussions should be visible to all.....I would have revealed all,maybe you wouldn't have wanted that?
Anyway,the current situation appears the worst possible outcome.
I think it would have been better to take EN15194 and only allowed 4 mph throttles...I am currently specifying 2 new bikes(500 units),both would have been ideal with 15 mph throttles especially for disabled riders.
Surely if the DfT linked full speed throttles with type approval then they should have given us a grace period to achieve this type approval before releasing the regs,we really need 12 months to determine whether type approval is practical on these pedelecs.
But,we are 3 weeks away from the 1st January deadline and VOSA have no classification to type approve a Pedelec....in fact all the communications I have had with VOSA suggests that they have no intention of testing Pedelecs.....my local VOSA test centre wants to test one under L1e,as a moped.
Surely it would be better to put this deadline back 12 months to give the DfT chance to organise themselves properly ,develop an applicable VOSA classification and write the regs sensibly.....has anyone questioned whether they know what they are doing? Do they understand pedelecs? Do they understand the industry.?
I am very tempted to put full speed throttles on these new bikes and sell them for 'private land use only',it doesn't seem to have limited the market for S-class,dongles and Trading Standards seem not to care.
Please give us the contact of the government dept that is dealing with this matter...that surely is part of the public domain.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Ha! It's open for all in the industry to join, now as the Bicycle Association of GB with specialist groups such as the E-Bike Group (mainly ex-BEBA). Nothing sinister about it.
I'm sure the appropriate person will divulge all when there's something clear to say.
Now, does anyone know how to untie a trouser leg... or should I start another Thread?

Bob....I think we have answered Terry's enquiry and this discussion seems to be working just fine here.
Do I read into your posting that despite all the meetings with the DfT there's currently nothing to say? We are 3 weeks away from the deadline date when full speed throttles are to be banned and the 'appropriate person' doesn't seem to have anything to say.
We should have been working on type approving,over the last 12 months,so as to prepare for this deadline date....but there is not a classification at VOSA to apply to.
We are going to end up with the same situation of legality like S-class and dongles....there will be some suppliers who will sell illegals with full speed throttles.
Has nobody asked at these meetings how we get type approval?
If you wonder why I am concerned I have 500 units in build at the moment and am at the decision point of 4 mph or 15 mph throttles?
KudosDave

 

[JuicyBike]

Bob....I think we have answered Terry's enquiry and this discussion seems to be working just fine here.
Do I read into your posting that despite all the meetings with the DfT there's currently nothing to say? We are 3 weeks away from the deadline date when full speed throttles are to be banned and the 'appropriate person' doesn't seem to have anything to say.
We should have been working on type approving,over the last 12 months,so as to prepare for this deadline date....but there is not a classification at VOSA to apply to.
We are going to end up with the same situation of legality like S-class and dongles....there will be some suppliers who will sell illegals with full speed throttles.
Has nobody asked at these meetings how we get type approval?
If you wonder why I am concerned I have 500 units in build at the moment and am at the decision point of 4 mph or 15 mph throttles?
KudosDave

Your argument is with Government David. I sympathise and hope you can realise we are all in the same boat and on the same side.

BEBA and the BA and the MCIA have all been lobbying through the appropriate government channels, attending meetings with the DfT, writing to MPs, collecting opinions, demonstrating ebikes to the House of Lords and working very hard, putting in many, many hours of coordinated work over several years.

BEBA lobbied hard FOR full speed throttles and eventually won over the attitude of the BA, who were at first opposed, but are now on-side. The MCIA are also now around the table, working with the BA to present one unified voice, continuing to lobby and cajole right up to the wire.

The MCIA has actually been very helpful in identifying the easiest route to getting type approval for the UK's closest equivalent to S-Class, that being a £50 inspection at your local Vehicle Testing centre, as I understand (I'm not the expert there and have no interest).

Since the beginning of 2015 we have also been showing how there needs to be a type approval criteria and process in place and asking for the government to respond.

Woosh and Kudos have always been welcome to join the fight from within and BEBA has never been exclusive or elusive.
Let's hope we can keep a unified and cohesive response, directed towards the appropriate government channels rather than one and other.
There is a better thread to continue this topic... here.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

I simply don't think I am free to disclose every name there. If you feel comfortable Bob then I will leave that to you. It's not a secret.

All the best, David

 

[Wisper Bikes]

I haven't got a clue what BEBA past and present have achieved for the community. Isn't it one of those acronyms like the guild of master double-glazers or some thing such, that companies pay £100 per annum for their own marketing purpose.

Absolutely not Trex, we have been working for clarity for all and again have been sharing what we know with the community. I wish it were £100pa!

Regards David

 

[JuicyBike]

Me neither. I'd sooner wait, patiently, through gritted teeth, for the DfT's response.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Dave (Kudos) I am out with our new sales guys at the moment, are you around for a chat later? All the best, David

 

[Cyclezee]

Well, unless Terry is deeply interested in the politics of the UK electric bike industry he will be fast asleep by now I note that his OP was his only one in this thread.
If the trade wish to communicate directly with one another, there is always the telephone or email.

 

[hoppy]

I think it's great to read in public forum the leaders of the industry talking this over. To some of us it's of great personal interest. I wish Hatti would join in too! I think you should all specify full throttles. You can always leave them unplugged but I believe it is the government's intention to allow them.

 

[Kudoscycles]

I think it's great to read in public forum the leaders of the industry talking this pver. To some of us it's of great personal interest. I wish Hatti would join in too! I think you should all specify full throttles. You can always leave them unplugged but I believe it is the government's intention to allow lleyes: I note tha

Hoppy.....don't worry,this subject is more relevant to the trade than the user...I have no doubt that throttles will be supplied for 'private land use only'.....note 'off road use' is so last year!
I find it amazing that there are so many cyclists who are happy to ride their 28 mph S-class dongled twist and go throttled bike around their private farmyard !!!!!!!
KudosDave

 

[Perseus]

Older people need the throttle because of when the knees malfunction or the rheumatism plays up. Tendonitis etc. Cycling a lot wears out certain bits. Essential inclusion. It might make the difference from buying an ebike or not! Important for me for future proofing.

Shed for bikes is being built. Ergonomic grips add-on to straight handlbars are being thought about. If my knees worked properly I would not need an ebike for going up hills.

 

[Crockers]

I wonder what bike Terry chose? I wonder where he went?? Perhaps after all these off topic posts he gave up the will to live!!

Terryyyyyyyyyyy. Where are you?? What did you choose?? And why??

 

[Terry1100]

I have met Terry, he is an intelligent adult and quite capable of sifting through the froth.

And what froth ! - I love this forum - it ticks all the boxes and reminds me of the joke about how many Forum members does it take to change a lightbulb !

You've all just entertained my lunch break. I'll post something more considered (responding to a couple of individual points) later but in a nutshell, the choice was based on availability at a retailer I have found who has been very helpful.

John - I'm not buying until the New Year, if I can find time to pop in and try a Heinzmann I will (as you were so helpful in my initial search) - but it's still got too many gears for my liking ! (that should give you lot another few pages of posts in response)

Thanks again all

 

[JuicyBike]

And what froth ! - I love this forum - it ticks all the boxes and reminds me of the joke about how many Forum members does it take to change a lightbulb !

You've all just entertained my lunch break. I'll post something more considered (responding to a couple of individual points) later but in a nutshell, the choice was based on availability at a retailer I have found who has been very helpful.

John - I'm not buying until the New Year, if I can find time to pop in and try a Heinzmann I will (as you were so helpful in my initial search) - but it's still got too many gears for my liking ! (that should give you lot another few pages of posts in response)

Thanks again all

So completely off-topic!!

 

[trex]

And what froth ! - I love this forum - it ticks all the boxes and reminds me of the joke about how many Forum members does it take to change a lightbulb !

about 15? and a week later, still don't agree with each other.
but we all learn a lot about lightbulb technology.

 

[Kudoscycles]

And what froth ! - I love this forum - it ticks all the boxes and reminds me of the joke about how many Forum members does it take to change a lightbulb !

You've all just entertained my lunch break. I'll post something more considered (responding to a couple of individual points) later but in a nutshell, the choice was based on availability at a retailer I have found who has been very helpful.

John - I'm not buying until the New Year, if I can find time to pop in and try a Heinzmann I will (as you were so helpful in my initial search) - but it's still got too many gears for my liking ! (that should give you lot another few pages of posts in response)

Thanks again all

Terry....change a light bulb...as someone who spends half his life organising trade shows...couldn't possibly do that without a risk assesment,method statement,working at height considerations,hard hat,hi-viz jacket,training and insurance liabilities....better get the wife to do it!!!!!
KudosDave

 

[Terry1100]

I knew I'd find it !

How many forum members does it takes to change a light bulb?

1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently

7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs

1 to move it to the Lighting section

2 to argue then move it to the Electricals section

7 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs

5 to flame the spell checkers

3 to correct spelling/grammar flames

6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid

2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"

15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct

19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum

11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum

36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty

7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs

4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's

3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group

13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too"

5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy

4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"

13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"

1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.

 

[Lancslass]

..... And 1 to post a photo of someone changing a lightbulb ....