Separated at Birth and by £500. What's the link anyone?

flecc

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what's the sram dual drive like. i have seen its a combi. hub derail gear set but haven't heard much about it in use...this could be a good thing though
The SRAM Dual Drive has been around for a long time and it works well. Basically a derailleur rear set mounted on a three speed hub, the latter taking the place of a front triple chainring to get the same end result. A big convenience is the single control unit, a twistgrip combined with a lever so that all the gear choices are instantly under one handed control. They come in 24, 27 and 30 gear versions, being with 8, 9 or 10 sprocket cassette clusters. For crank drive e-bike usage the 24 gear is best, avoiding the thinner chains that the 27 and 30 need.
 

funkylyn

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I've ridden loads of electric bikes, and I can say that there's not one that I'd have been unhappy with if it was the only one I could have.. It's only when you have specific requirements that it becomes easier to choose - like if you only have one leg, you need a throttle; if you're heavy, unfit and have hills to climb, then you want one with a strong motor; if you have to go a long way, then you need one with a a big battery; etc.

I've never noticed the difference in weight of electric bikes when riding them, but you do notice the difference in motor power. The other thing that is very important, but nobody ever seems to mention it, though fairly simple to change on some bikes, is the gearing. It's a real nuisance when you can't pedal faster than 16mph because the gearing's too low. You never figure that out on a test drive, but you do soon after you bought it. Full suspension bikes give more comfort, but carrying stuff is not so easy. I see people stuck on whether to get a bike with a torque sensor or a pedal speed sensor, but that's just plain nuts.

Most people are happy with the bike they bought unless it breaks down, and they chose that one because the bloke in the shop said it was good. If you're the type that spends a lot of time choosing/evaluating, then you'll probably always be wondering whether you should have got a different one - like when you're in a restaurant with a big party, and you look at what other people got, which often looks better than what you got. Another general rule: If the bike has regen, make sure that you get to try it down a big hill to check that it rolls avove 18mph. You get so little from regen, that to me, it has more disadvantages than advantages. Despite what the Neo's blurb and salesmen say, it doesn't have regen.

To summarise: All the different systems and components have advantages and disadvantages. When you add them up, they tend to equalise. All e-bikes are adequate, so, unless you have specific needs, buy one that you like the look of.
Couldnt agree more Dave, we are all guilty sometimes of over thinking things, when really, there are only so many differences you can get between bikes, it all comes down to personal preferences and needs.... at the end of the day, a bike is a bike, the main thing is finding 'your' bike.

For now, I have 'my' bike and still the only thing I would like to change would be to lop 5 kilos off its weight lol, though, like you, I was impressed with the 2 Ezee bikes I tried at Redbridge and to be honest, I can hardly tell you why, they just 'felt' right and obviously had some power and sooo ezee to ride.

PS....did you prefer my my fish finger groujons to your's and Steve's carvery ?? lol :p

Lynda :)
 

flecc

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I was impressed with the 2 Ezee bikes I tried at Redbridge and to be honest, I can hardly tell you why, they just 'felt' right and obviously had some power and sooo ezee to ride
It's no coincidence that the company's chief, Wai Won Ching, has for years ridden his own designed e-bikes on many long trips, sometimes over many days, including long sections of the Silk Route. I can't think of a better way to guarantee that an e-bike's bugs get sorted out and the riding qualities made pleasant.

Here's one of the links to the Silk Route rides
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countryman663

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It's no coincidence that the company's chief, Wai Won Ching, has for years ridden his own designed e-bikes on many long trips, sometimes over many days, including long sections of the Silk Route. I can't think of a better way to guarantee that an e-bike's bugs get sorted out and the riding qualities made pleasant.

Here's one of the links to the Silk Route rides
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Absolutely amazing. I am genuinely humbled by these exploits. Wow surely there's is a book in this type of adventure for Mr Ching
 

flecc

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Absolutely amazing. I am genuinely humbled by these exploits. Wow surely there's is a book in this type of adventure for Mr Ching
Yes, they really are astonishing rides by any standards. Having been privileged to have met him, I can say that Wai Won is a unique character, very strong willed and single minded as one might expect from these riding exploits. His son Ken Ching is also in the company in a technical role and has raced the eZee bikes in the former Presteigne event e-bike race.
 

funkylyn

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It's no coincidence that the company's chief, Wai Won Ching, has for years ridden his own designed e-bikes on many long trips, sometimes over many days, including long sections of the Silk Route. I can't think of a better way to guarantee that an e-bike's bugs get sorted out and the riding qualities made pleasant.

Here's one of the links to the Silk Route rides
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John is demonstrating his Ezee bikes at the Eden Project in Cornwall, as we speak, accompanied by Ching's son.

Hopefully they will get more footfall today than yesterday.....theres nothing like the first sunny day to tempt people to beaches, garden centres etc.....I am obviously talking here about those poor people who have yet to discover the joys of electric bikes ........those of us already converted should have been out on our bikes :cool:

Lynda :)
 

flecc

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........those of us already converted should have been out on our bikes :cool:

Lynda :)
I went out earlier while the sun was out since clouds were threatening to develop. It's mostly grey now here on the South London border.

I expect you're glued to the FI race on TV though Lynda.
 

funkylyn

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Does anyone ever do these taster days a bit further up North for us hill dwellers here in Cumbria?
Ha ha....sore point...seeing as most of them are 'down south' they think Derbyshire IS the north, in fact, talking to both kudos dave and whoosh hatti 2 weeks ago, who both swore blind that Thirsk was in Scotland....I dont think we have much chance lol
To be fair, dave did say if we could find a good venue in the north east it could be a start but I know he is looking at the Manchester area at the moment so we will have to see.

You could have a 'taster' of my Tonaro seeing as I am parked on my friends drive in Kendal at the moment lol

Seriously, I expect you have had a look at the guys bikes at the Penrith shop ?

Lynda :)

PS.....I am an ex hill dweller myself.......Aisgill Moor, Mallerstang :cool:
 

funkylyn

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I went out earlier while the sun was out since clouds were threatening to develop. It's mostly grey now here on the South London border.

I expect you're glued to the FI race on TV though Lynda.
Oh yes......You know me too well flecc lol

Lynda :)
 

funkylyn

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Sounds like you're about as glued to it as me :) ooh actually I'm a few minutes behind now after pausing it a few times ;)
Bloody Vettel......and now I will have to put up with John gloating :mad:

Still, Lewis made up a place in the last lap, and you know what they say...'points make prizes' lol

Theres a long way to go yet, this season, and I live in hope of seeing Mercedes progressing well, those Lotus's are fast though arent they........this season is wide open and some really good drivers emerging alongside the previous champions.

Lynda :)
 

Electrifying Cycles

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That's getting there Artstu, Thanks. and coming in at around 2300 euros/1950 ish pounds from Germany. Available in the UK at what price anyone and..what's the sram dual drive like. i have seen its a combi. hub derail gear set but haven't heard much about it in use...this could be a good thing though
Hi
The bike in the picture is one we sold. RRP is £2149 with larger battery or £1999 with the smaller battery. We offer full back up whether you are local to us or not. This includes free collection in the unlikely event of a problem. You are welcome to give us a call or private message me.

David
 

Hugh

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I was sure someone must have done it and was pleased to see Hugh's reply too. perhaps we can persuade him to give us the full story?
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I bought a Haibike Xduro FS SE on German eBay. It was a 2012 model, advertised in October 2012, so the shop was obviously selling off the last of that year's models. It was up for E3500, or make an offer, so in a 'moment of madness', I made an offer of E2700, not expecting a result, and got it accepted immediately!! That equated to just under £2300, for a full-sus bike with quality fittings and the Haibike inverted Bosch motor which both looks good and increases ground clearance a lot. Call me a happy, if aged, bunny :D

I had no problems with communication with the shop (Fahrrad Becker); delivery was quick and on the day arranged; the bike was well packed, easy to set up, and very good to ride. The only change I made was to swop brake levers round so front brake was RH side as per standard UK practice.

I've since bought a dongle from Germany (Golla was the firm) which has transformed the Bosch system into something really really good. I know Martin at e-Bikeshop in Hampshire has started importing them and has posted about them on here.

I'm reasonably mechanically proficient so not too bothered about warranty issues if problems were to arise.

Basically, I can't fault the whole business so far. I got a great bike at a very good price indeed, which has been improved immensely by a (relatively) cheap upgrade in the form of the dongle, and all with very good and efficient service.

I'm now in the process of buying a campervan/motorhome from Germany, and that looks like being a similarly enjoyable and successful business.

Eddie (whose absence makes this forum a poorer place as far as I'm concerned) also bought bikes direct from Germany and is an active member on Outandaboutlive, motorhome forum, where his trenchant views are seemingly still acceptable. He referred me to the motorhome dealer and I owe him one as a result.

(Raises glass) - 'Absent friends'
 

Electrifying Cycles

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If you find one of our bikes cheaper we will however do our best to match the price whether that is in the UK or elsewhere. Just ask ;)
 

JimB

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If you find one of our bikes cheaper we will however do our best to match the price whether that is in the UK or elsewhere. Just ask ;)
That rather begs another question (and I hope you'll forgive my cynicism).....having spent some considerable time scouring UK and European sites looking at various bike specs and honing the list down it has become apparent that across Europe it appears that even with so called 'discount' cycle stores certain brands are sold at exactly the same price when converted, where necessary, from Euros to pounds.

The question therefore is whether some or all European manufacturers are operating retail price maintenance and therefore stifling competition and maintaining artificially high retail prices?

If they were it wouldn't be much of a challenge to match a lower price if such could be found.

JimB
 

Electrifying Cycles

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Hi Jim,

The margins on electric bikes are generally smaller compared to normal bikes, high end bikes often have smaller percentage margins. Therefore even stores offering a discount can not probably offer massive differences in price unless they are importing the bikes themselves.

Significantly less bikes are sold in the UK than for example Germany, therefore if someone there is selling more electric bikes they may be able to afford smaller margins.

We can understand people wanting to get the best price but it makes sense to buy from someone in the UK where possible. Particulatly if that company has a good back up policy.

David