Scooters where cool once!

MeldonLeisure

Finding my (electric) wheels
Jun 30, 2013
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Hi all,

I'm quite new to all this but have absolutely fallen in love with travelling in excess of 50 miles on a few pence without leaving a trail of black smoke in my wake!

Now I do of course realise that many of you hold a pretty dim view of electric pedal assisted scooters, but for me at least having owned many a Vespa in my now distant youth, and buzzed lazily around many a foreign Mediterranean on them, I think they are an absolutely fantastic idea....Sadly rather poorly executed! Having messed around with various hub motors and realising their limitations within this application ( lack of torque, inability to pedal without resembling a mature silver back gorilla on a childs bicycle etc ) I decided to import one from china it uses a 250W geared motor with a planetary gearbox running 48V LiPO4 and the results are fantastic, essentially you can travel in excess of 50 miles on one charge, and it will tackle 1:5 inclines without any noticeable decrease in momentum...Amazing stuff I'm sure you'll agree? However, I use mine for commuting around the busy high hedged windy A roads in Devon, where massive lorries and bonus crazed white van men round hairpin corners without any visibility or seconds thought as to what might be around them.

So, my question is; working within the parameters of what I have ( geared motor, fixed to a planetary gearbox, 48V LiPO4 ) is there anything I can do in the interest of seeing my next birthday ( it's a big one btw ) without " wearing " a Scania badge on my back? I'm not looking for Alien Ocean wheel spinning mountain bike performance, nor am i looking to enjoy the experience for a nannosecond...Just an additional 5mph to keep up with the traffic flow would be great :)
 

KirstinS

Esteemed Pedelecer
Apr 5, 2011
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May I ask what speed you get now ? The only reason I ask is if you are clearly riding an illegal bike......then, well you may as well get what you want !

I have modified my legal bike to get about 20% extra speed. And it was cheap. Done by adding a 2s (7.4v) booster pack in series. Increased voltage = increased speed. By doing this you can add the booster pack or not. So when I take my kids out in the trailer its legal , when I commute to work it isn't. Still 250w motor but too fast for legality.

I'll try to find the build thread for you

However, there are pitfalls ! Your controller, motor or battery may blow up !

The more information you can give the better to determine how likely this is. Can you see any markings on the controller ? Or markings on motor . Photos would be good too

Is this 48v lead acid battery or lithium of some type ?

Details are key :)

Cheers
Kirstin
 

KirstinS

Esteemed Pedelecer
Apr 5, 2011
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Um just looked at website ,pretty sure that's illegal . By whic I mean you need insurance , helmets etc

Others know better than me mind
 

KirstinS

Esteemed Pedelecer
Apr 5, 2011
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Brighton
Are you the seller BtW ? If so you should declare this. I ask only given your name and the statement about hub motors on bicycles
 

flecc

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Almost all these Chinese scooters are typically around 700 watts and capable of around 20 mph, so are completely illegal on UK roads unless type approved, registered and number plated. They also have to have third party insurance and riders must use m/c type crash helmets and be P1 group tested and licenced.

The Chinese have made some slower less powerful ones rated at the legal 250 watts, so if this is one of those designed for the UK and EU it's ok without bureaucracy.
 
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Cyclezee

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KirstinS,

Earlier today you said the Peugeot pedelec was "fugly". (BTW, I think that word is a strong candidate for entry to the Oxford English Dictionary):D
Compared to the "thing" at the foot of this page Electric Scooters, the offering from Peugeot is the Venus de Milo:p
 
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If you could use this one in the UK, I'd be very happy. £160 in Chinese supermarkets:
 

KirstinS

Esteemed Pedelecer
Apr 5, 2011
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Brighton
KirstinS,

Earlier today you said the Peugeot pedelec was "fugly". (BTW, I think that word is a strong candidate for entry to the Oxford English Dictionary):D
Compared to the "thing" at the foot of this page Electric Scooters, the offering from Peugeot is the Venus de Milo:p
I didn't coin it but it is great word !

And I concurr ! The tin camping dinner plate at the crank is an interesting design point
 
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GaRRy

Esteemed Pedelecer
May 18, 2012
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I didn't coin it but it is great word !
Yep been around since at least the early nineties when I had a work colleage whos nickname was fugly and yes it did mean what you think it does even then it was just a joke between her and her boyfriend which just stuck.
 

jazper53

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 20, 2012
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Brighton
If you could use this one in the UK, I'd be very happy. £160 in Chinese supermarkets:
Yes it is a fugly, if ride pillion, should have a extra set of pedals, love the barbecue on the front thou;)
 

iain85

Pedelecer
Aug 5, 2010
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I would but I think my wife would leave me for being drastically uncool. I need to move to Asia so I can fit in : )
 

MeldonLeisure

Finding my (electric) wheels
Jun 30, 2013
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1
Oh god....I fear my retinas have just disintegrated, clearly a blessing :D

In terms of the scooter I ride, in actual fact it is completely legal. It is classed as EPAC tandem ( rear foot pegs ) is just under 60Kg's, has a motor rated at 250W, has pedal assist mode and in restricted mode is limited to 15mph.

However, for me at least I think these are somewhat worrying times. I believe somebody posted earlier that most of the EPAC's around are technically illegal, and whilst this might well be the case, the police and authorities are for once cutting us a little slack. But will they continue to do so when faced with people riding uninsured, unregistered and untaxed 50mph EPAC's and EPAC scooters? Somehow I doubt it!

I think it simply boils down to not taking the proverbial. Firstly wear a helmet, sure you don't have to, and it is liberating to feel the wind in hair, but after a couple of days of being shouted at and stopped every 5 minutes, it made sense...And after all you do want your face to look nice on the big day once the Scania has rearranged your internal organs surely? Secondly, of course it's nice ( and a whole lot safer ) to gain another 5mph or so and I know from experience that even the strictest of traffic cops won't bother to worry you ( not dissimilar to our unofficial 85 - 90mph motorway speed limit ) , but start Stealth Bombering down a dual carriage way at 50mph and questions WILL be asked....And I imagine that when they get asked often enough, we'll all be slapping number plates on the back of our bikes and jumping through various hoops to ride them....Which for me at least, completely defeats the object.

In terms of my own upgrades, having traveled 45 miles yesterday on a single charge through some of the steepest terrain in the country without the need for a single pedal stroke on a day where Martians would be remarking it was a little on warm side, d'you know what? I'm not going to bother. I'm going to just enjoy the feeling of traveling silently and cheaply through sunny Dartmoor without leaving more than the shallowest of carbon footprints....Oh, and also avoid blowing myself up!

Oh and btw, I'm not selling these yet so didn't feel the need to declare, but there is a strong possibility I might if there's enough interest and I can cover all the legal angles? As previously mentioned, this is a nice bubble and last thing I would want to do is aid it bursting
 

MeldonLeisure

Finding my (electric) wheels
Jun 30, 2013
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I once knew a Caroline, she was utterly captivating....Don't seem to remember her selling hideous electric monkey bike scooter moped things though oddly....
 

KirstinS

Esteemed Pedelecer
Apr 5, 2011
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Brighton
The law sure is a total minefield when it comes to ebikes !

But I totally agree - if you stick to 250w and 15mph max - as well as ride sensibly I doubt there is anything to worry about

Upgrades - well, if it ain't broke why fix it ! 45 miles with no pedalling on sla battered is impressive


And sorry if I came across brusquely on the selling thing - there have been the odd rogue seller on these forums. It's a pet bugbear :)