S class bikes
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That's a rather nice carpet you have in your workshop, Hugh - And the bike looks Super Clean, even for 30 miles, in this weatherMorning all. I thought I'd posted last night about this, but combination of wine and flu seems to have meant I failed
I tried to take some photos on my phone while doing it - they aren't much cop but I've attached them for what it's worth.
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"Seatpost rack would barely take my chain let alone my shopping, and battery capacity has 1/3 of the "claimed range" that would be of interest. Functional suitability comes first on a first bike ..:
Lynda has an Esprit which has a very solid normal style rack with side guards to help hold panniers etc.
Range, well mine still has all lights on after 40 km and battery reading 38volts, so guessing 80km real world range.
But they are heavy, mines around 24~25 kg plus battery
Lynda has an Esprit which has a very solid normal style rack with side guards to help hold panniers etc.
Range, well mine still has all lights on after 40 km and battery reading 38volts, so guessing 80km real world range.
But they are heavy, mines around 24~25 kg plus battery
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It's fine when SWMBO isn't at homeThat's a rather nice carpet you have in your workshop, Hugh - And the bike looks Super Clean, even for 30 miles, in this weather
Ah - for some reason I always visualize a Bighit or Compy when thinking of Tonaro. Are the torque claims really realistic ? The "massive 128 n/m torque - more than double most hub motors" from a crank drive sounds a bit of a claim. This has probably all been discussed before ... it's not a bike which has ever grabbed my attention, probably because of the 10Ah battery ... and looking at the pics of the Eagle / Esprit on account of this being mounted under the rack.
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Alex you really must try and shape up here, this kind of derisory and frankly snide talk of Tonaros will simply not be tolerated here. Clearly you have tried none of the Tonaro range nor it seems, have a technical background, but rely instead on the ill considered ravings of a sadly diminished journalist.
I would put my Tonaro Bighit up against any Bosch drive in the country for climbing ability and they are pretty good on range too.
I would put my Tonaro Bighit up against any Bosch drive in the country for climbing ability and they are pretty good on range too.
I would agree re the rack going off previous hub bikes but it doesn't cause any issues on the Esprit, maybe due to the weight of the central drive?
Handling is surprisingly good at high speed cornering, A little bit wandery at low speed due to the lightly loaded front wheel.
Re the Nm I can only compare them to hubs I have owned and yes up hill it annihilates them, you can when offroading crawl up hills at 6~8 kph with out unduly stressing the motor or batteries, if you are exhausted or injured as long as you can turn the pedals it will climb almost anything with no assist.
I rode a fire trail today rated as "experienced MTB riders only, pushing maybe requires, rough section and steep climbs" the Esprit coped with ease, never had to push, after about 10 km of trails I did 20 km on road, stopped and loaded the panniers at the Bakery for lunch back at home, very versatile oh and quite a few thousand feet of climbing included.
Handling is surprisingly good at high speed cornering, A little bit wandery at low speed due to the lightly loaded front wheel.
Re the Nm I can only compare them to hubs I have owned and yes up hill it annihilates them, you can when offroading crawl up hills at 6~8 kph with out unduly stressing the motor or batteries, if you are exhausted or injured as long as you can turn the pedals it will climb almost anything with no assist.
I rode a fire trail today rated as "experienced MTB riders only, pushing maybe requires, rough section and steep climbs" the Esprit coped with ease, never had to push, after about 10 km of trails I did 20 km on road, stopped and loaded the panniers at the Bakery for lunch back at home, very versatile
oh and quite a few thousand feet of climbing included.
What on earth makes you say that ?
The rear rack is extremely strong and capable of carrying a more than decent load....mind you.....I dont know what sort of chain you travel around with
As for claimed range.....mine easily does the claimed range on mixed terrain, (and Im no cheryl cole ) battery is the same now as it was 16 months ago....so far so good.
All in all a extremely suitable and functional bike for anyone
Have you actually tried one ?
I find thats usually a good measure of whether a bike is suitable for anyone
Lynda
Have a look at this thread Alex -----
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/10272-talk-torque.html
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/10272-talk-torque.html
You could fit it as per their basic instructions, using clips into the sensor cable in the area where it exits the shroud. This would be easily reversible without much evidence, BUT, it looks crap and would be very exposed to the elements.
I'm not (fingers wildly crossed
) too bothered about the warranty side of things. The bike parts I can deal with if need be, and if the motor goes pop, well I'll look pretty silly! I guess I'm playing the odds a bit, but if the quality is anything like the Kalkhoff/Panasonic, and I think it is, I don't expect problems.Thanks - very illuminating.
The Bighit has a seatpost rack. Point is this type of rack would not stand up to being loaded with heavy loads of gear or goods on the back of the bike... which is what I bought my crank drive bike for, not offroading. I have clocked many makes of bike but did not even realize Tonaro was a make and just thought it was model and that is presumably quite clear from my post. If you choose to "read in" derogatory remarks where there are simply innocent statements I can only put that down to the fact that looking at subsequent posts the bike has come in for some flack - which I have also never seen.
Your defensive-aggressive ramblings I will put down to sensitivity over previous feuds on the topic and am happy to ignore as irrational outbursts. I am starting to get a wee bit worried about your state of mind, hech. I prescribe a long bike tour to mellow out a bit
. No seatpost-mounted rack is likely to tolerate my rear loads. As you'll see from Geebee's post and my response to it, I didn't realize Tonaro was a make of bike having only 'clocked' the Bighit previously and therefore assumed you had one of those. Obviously I looked it up when Geebee pointed things out. However, I still would not want my battery in the rack area. Whether on a hub-drive or a crank. It loads weight to an area I'd always want clear to load with other weight.What on earth makes you say that ?
The rear rack is extremely strong and capable of carrying a more than decent load....mind you.....I dont know what sort of chain you travel around with
As for claimed range.....mine easily does the claimed range on mixed terrain, (and Im no cheryl cole ) battery is the same now as it was 16 months ago....so far so good.
All in all a extremely suitable and functional bike for anyone
Have you actually tried one ?
I find thats usually a good measure of whether a bike is suitable for anyone
My chain is very heavy with a closed-shackle padlock. Would be acceptable for motorbike. No point taking chances when you rely on bike for primary transport even when left for short periods. It lives in my rack bag.
I can't comment on range but I do know what a 36v 15Ah 540wh battery will give you (70+ miles easy in average conditions with a 250W rated Impulse) and that is what I was looking for in my primary travelling bike. If you don't travel to and from an office (I work from home) and want to tour via wild remote country places rather than pub stops or shops etc. to recharge, having enough capacity to get you where you are going and home again on one battery is more important. Granted most people would rather stop off at the pub for a beer and charge their battery there - but I would rather spend that time in the countryside with my lunch and liquid supplies in my panniers. Each to their own
. The only way to properly try one would be to have it on approval, take it on a long trip to see its real battery capacity and ride it in a variety of real-life conditions. Since few suppliers will allow that (although Kalkhoff have done recently) you have to go (to some extent at least) by looking at specs, design and functionality for the use you intend to put the bike to. Regardless of whether the bike can be easily derestricted for higher assist speed, the point is that if range is a key priority for someone, a 540Wh battery with an efficient motor is considerably more likely to fit the bill than the Tonaros and if that's more of a priority then range wins. I may be new to eBikes, but even I managed to work that one out pretty early on.
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Alex, We always get this when trying to have a reasonable conversation, up pop the usual protagonists desperate to justify their choice of an appalling creation that most of us don't recognize as a bike at all...Thankfully we have an "ignore button" so I don't have to read the dire "contributions", but why they cant just start own threads, or stay on topic is baffling.
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Hugh, they do break you know and it's like tuning a car,,,push it to far and you know what can happen. I think I prefer to live with the limitations at least till warranty expires
Interesting comments though, that it performs better then a 350 watt Panasonic S class bike surprising! That is some going.....
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Hugh, they do break you know and it's like tuning a car,,,push it to far and you know what can happen. I think I prefer to live with the limitations at least till warranty expires
Interesting comments though, that it performs better then a 350 watt Panasonic S class bike surprising! That is some going.....
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Oh give it a rest eddie or come up with a more adult criticism..........you are in danger of "becoming" tedious
Lynda
Just to be clear. The Tonaro BigHit does not have a seat post carrier. The battery carrier is an integral part of the frame and is of very strong construction.
LOL....no we dont.....dont worry....Helen, we need you now
a. I try never to be personally insulting......I was brought up better than that
b. As I suspect I am on his ignore list he wont read it
c. Even if he did he never answers me.....sooooo
win/win situation
Lynda
Ah - thanks for clarifying that - it looks like a seatpost rack from the pics so always good to know these things and get factual informative comments.
Still, even more reason why it wouldn't suit me unless it's for a bike to be ridden for the sake of riding it and going home, which at the moment is a luxury I don't have the opportunity to do more than once a week if I'm lucky. To be completely honest if I wanted a bike for the pure joy of riding it wouldn't be an eBike. I'd most likely have a really good unpowered full-sus MTB for the 3 times a year max I really get the inclination and opportunity to go somewhere to ride it and a Titanium Colnago road bike for more regular speed-riding pleasure when warm sunny weather made it enjoyable. Budget won't stretch to either of same at the moment and would most likely buy a car again first before buying them.
Most of the time I have a whole load of other things to do when I'm out on my bike and often carry what seems like half my life on the back of my bike. Personally don't want all that on my back, or on the front, handlebars or anywhere else spread about a bunch of bags so obviously a Bighit wouldn't suit me personally and bikes with rack-mounted batteries were pretty much universally ruled out the preference list too for a first bike. Bighit isn't designed for that sort of use, but might very well suit other people with different circumstances and lifestyle who want it for different more specific uses. So as I said before each to their own.
I think there should be a programme developed with key words which flag up with the letters LM in superscript in a circle - standing for "Land Mine"
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