Review my latest battery build? Molicel p42a 10s4p 21700

saneagle

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Hi, I've been reading this thread with great interest since I have half a battery's worth of recovered batteries from my original battery failure (from a Swytch kit) reported some time ago. I've got all the necessary gear to do a reduced capacity rebuild but have been seduced by summer riding and my new bike. Since I now have access to 5 Bosch type lawn mower 36V batteries (4 from lawnmowers and one compatible - see previous posts), my current thinking for an Autumn build of the recovered batteries is a minimal 36V (10S,1P) lightweight backup battery along the lines of a Bosch build and without a BMS as such but a monitor of battery condition such as used by model builders which I also have. Anyone done anything like this?
I doubt that it'll work. Practically, you can get about half the current out of a cell that they say you can. The more current you take from a cell, the more sag you get. The older the cell you use, the more sag you get. You'll be losing on both counts using used cells in a 1P configuration.
 

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It’s only really worth it if you are building batteries regularly. For a one off build, once you have bought all of the equipment its close to and possibly more than the cost of buying a new battery with proper cells.

I considered building one myself but the cost, hassle and especially risk of a one off high current diy battery wasn’t worth it.

A few bad welds can lead to all sorts of trouble.
 
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peterjd

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It’s only really worth it if you are building batteries regularly. For a one off build, once you have bought all of the equipment its close to and possibly more than the cost of buying a new battery with proper cells.

I considered building one myself but the cost, hassle and especially risk of a one off high current diy battery wasn’t worth it.

A few bad welds can lead to all sorts of trouble.
You are right of course. I am only really trying these things for interest/'a learning exercise', and as a retired industrial chemist I am fairly used to dealing with hazardous materials. So bearing in mind Saneagle's comments I will try a build of a 3P,10s (done in the 'lean-to' outside), for which I still have just about enough 'good' cells. However I will initially experiment without a BMS which often seems to be root of too many problems of its own (but I will include a cell voltage monitor) . It goes against the grain to bin anything which might (safely) have a second life, and which originally 'died' before its time.
 

saneagle

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You are right of course. I am only really trying these things for interest/'a learning exercise', and as a retired industrial chemist I am fairly used to dealing with hazardous materials. So bearing in mind Saneagle's comments I will try a build of a 3P,10s (done in the 'lean-to' outside), for which I still have just about enough 'good' cells. However I will initially experiment without a BMS which often seems to be root of too many problems of its own (but I will include a cell voltage monitor) . It goes against the grain to bin anything which might (safely) have a second life, and which originally 'died' before its time.
You can build a 36v 10S battery in two halves a 5S with two 5S balance connectors on them, then you can use a lipo balance charger and two 5S cell alarms, or you can do the same with two 6S packs. That's quite a lot of messing about, and by the time you get all the stuff, it can be more expensive. I used to do all that, but now I find it easier to fit a BMS to have plug and play charging and use.

If you just want to test a load of old cells that are going to be all over the place, the lipo method might be better than a BMS because you can see what's going on with the cells when you charge and discharge, so you get clues as to which cells to chuck.
 

Moecycle

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Just as an update, I’ve put many miles on the battery, and all I can say is WOW. These cells are nuts- the added capacity is incredible.

If anyone is having trouble choosing between 18650 vs 21700, it’s a no brainer IMO. I’ll only be building 21700 from now on.

These cells are great.
 

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