October 19, 20214 yr Hi , first post here. I have a Pendleton Somerby electric bike and I’ve lost the key for the battery, which is not charging up. Does anyone here know how hard it is to get replacement keys so that I can remove the battery and replace it please ?
October 19, 20214 yr IIRC, older Pendletons with the Phylion battery were supplied with 4 keys. If you lost all of them, you were snookered. Newer Pendletons with Battle batteries come with 2 numbered keys. Halfords can order you replacements if you know what the serial number is. If you don't, you're again snookered. Drilling or picking the lock is an option.
October 19, 20214 yr Author IIRC, older Pendletons with the Phylion battery were supplied with 4 keys. If you lost all of them, you were snookered. Newer Pendletons with Battle batteries come with 2 numbered keys. Halfords can order you replacements if you know what the serial number is. If you don't, you're again snookered. Drilling or picking the lock is an option. Thanks , so is Pendleton an actual firm or is this just a brand sold by Halfords ? I can’t believe I’ve not put these keys safe, especially as it’s a Phylion battery ( I’m assuming as it’s a Phylion charger ) and you’re saying I would have had 4 …..
October 19, 20214 yr Pendleton is a Halfords own-brand, named/under licence after Victoria Pendleton, the Olympics track cyclist twice Gold (and a Silver) medal winner. Yes, you would have had 4 keys: They're not marked/numbered so cannot be replaced. As a rule, I always tie/ring one key to the charger lead so at least one key never gets lost. EDIT: This is what your Phylion Battery Keys likely look like... if you want to have a rummage around your kitchen drawer/garage to see if you can find them: Edited October 19, 20214 yr by cyclebuddy
October 19, 20214 yr Hi , first post here. I have a Pendleton Somerby electric bike and I’ve lost the key for the battery, which is not charging up. Does anyone here know how hard it is to get replacement keys so that I can remove the battery and replace it please ? Sad! If you eventually require some help with picking the lock, I should be able to assist. Or if you decide to drill it out, do not start without proper help, as it is easy to make it even worse, if you drill in the wrong place. Take a closeup of the key slot, with a clear picture on here, if that's the way you need to go, and wait for my answer. Which will be with a marked version of your picture, to show exactly where to drill. Your choice either way. regards Andy
October 20, 20214 yr I asked a similar question in this thread https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/lost-keys-what-can-be-done.38980/ On a recommendation in that thread I got this jiggler key set which worked perfectly to unlock the battery from the bike https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lock-Jiggler-keys-piece-set/dp/B00HZIP190/ref=pd_lpo_60_t_0/261-7902289-9724634?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00HZIP190&pd_rd_r=c1602185-2078-4f8a-ac95-18c1091c5dc3&pd_rd_w=14F7b&pd_rd_wg=DRRUe&pf_rd_p=7b8e3b03-1439-4489-abd4-4a138cf4eca6&pf_rd_r=5F6KD2VSFHGQCJHD4371&psc=1&refRID=5F6KD2VSFHGQCJHD4371 Edited October 20, 20214 yr by nigelbb
October 20, 20214 yr I asked a similar question in this thread https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/lost-keys-what-can-be-done.38980/ On a recommendation in that thread I got this jiggler key set which worked perfectly to unlock the battery from the bikehttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Lock-Jiggler-keys-piece-set/dp/B00HZIP190/ref=pd_lpo_60_t_0/261-7902289-9724634?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00HZIP190&pd_rd_r=c1602185-2078-4f8a-ac95-18c1091c5dc3&pd_rd_w=14F7b&pd_rd_wg=DRRUe&pf_rd_p=7b8e3b03-1439-4489-abd4-4a138cf4eca6&pf_rd_r=5F6KD2VSFHGQCJHD4371&psc=1&refRID=5F6KD2VSFHGQCJHD4371 Of the sets of jiggler keys, small, medium, large, which set opened the battery lock ? How long did it take to unlock ?
October 20, 20214 yr Of the sets of jiggler keys, small, medium, large, which set opened the battery lock ? How long did it take to unlock ? I don't recall which size but I just picked one that looked about right. It took literally seconds to open the lock.
October 20, 20214 yr I don't recall which size but I just picked one that looked about right. It took literally seconds to open the lock. I suspect the large ones, and you can buy a set of them for around £3.
October 20, 20214 yr Of the sets of jiggler keys, small, medium, large, which set opened the battery lock ? How long did it take to unlock ? Don't forget to order and install a replacement lock with new keys! Plus, if you take the old one to a good DIY store, they may be able to supply a new replacement for very little money! regards Andy
October 20, 20214 yr Don't forget to order and install a replacement lock with new keys! Plus, if you take the old one to a good DIY store, they may be able to supply a new replacement for very little money! regards Andy No particular need to order a replacement lock in advance, I have two batteries. Just thinking ahead, if the keys are lost and the battery is still on the bike, it would be a good plan to already have jiggler keys to get the battery off without resorting to drilling or waiting for a jiggler set to arrive.
October 21, 20214 yr No particular need to order a replacement lock in advance, I have two batteries. Just thinking ahead, if the keys are lost and the battery is still on the bike, it would be a good plan to already have jiggler keys to get the battery off without resorting to drilling or waiting for a jiggler set to arrive. It is even better, especially as I understand FOUR KEYS ARE SUPPLIED WITH EACH BATTERY, to take FAR better care of the said battery keys..... On my batteries (2), I ONLY got two keys per battery! Still have both, and I have made two sets of keys for my bike, including the original alarm remote, and a copy which I made myself (dead easy!). I am not saying how clever I am, because I see this as "normal practice" for keys, any keys for anything, car, house or e-bike..... After I retired in 2006, I had a long holiday, but got bored, so in 2007 I worked as a locksmith for a company, learned a lot, but I found the work at best "Immoral". So after I had picked up all the tricks of the trade (bloody simple!), I resigned. But I still work for friends and family when needed...... You would be amazed just how many people lose keys to their property each and every day, or lock themselves out! And almost any idiot with a piece of plastic, can open the door in 10 seconds......it is worryingly easy!! I can literally, with both eyes closed, at 75, still open a door in less than 30 seconds...... regards Andy
October 21, 20214 yr After I retired in 2006, I had a long holiday, but got bored, so in 2007 I worked as a locksmith for a company, learned a lot, but I found the work at best "Immoral". So after I had picked up all the tricks of the trade (bloody simple!), I resigned. Did you get pressured to participate in burglaries, safe cracking? What "Immoral" work did you end up doing? Was it easy to resign, or was it like the mafia ie "In" for life? I can literally, with both eyes closed, at 75, still open a door in less than 30 seconds...... That's horrifying Andy, and impressive!
October 21, 20214 yr It is even better, especially as I understand FOUR KEYS ARE SUPPLIED WITH EACH BATTERY, to take FAR better care of the said battery keys..... On my batteries (2), I ONLY got two keys per battery! Still have both, and I have made two sets of keys for my bike, including the original alarm remote, and a copy which I made myself (dead easy!). I am not saying how clever I am, because I see this as "normal practice" for keys, any keys for anything, car, house or e-bike..... After I retired in 2006, I had a long holiday, but got bored, so in 2007 I worked as a locksmith for a company, learned a lot, but I found the work at best "Immoral". So after I had picked up all the tricks of the trade (bloody simple!), I resigned. But I still work for friends and family when needed...... You would be amazed just how many people lose keys to their property each and every day, or lock themselves out! And almost any idiot with a piece of plastic, can open the door in 10 seconds......it is worryingly easy!! I can literally, with both eyes closed, at 75, still open a door in less than 30 seconds...... regards Andy I hate the fact that most locks are easy to sabotage (I won't say how, on an open forum). If you wanted some extra income in retirement, just do that to every lock on your street, having leafleted them a couple of weeks before, advertising your locksmith skills. Immoral.
October 21, 20214 yr Did you get pressured to participate in burglaries, safe cracking? What "Immoral" work did you end up doing? Was it easy to resign, or was it like the mafia ie "In" for life? Two reasons why its immoral, nothing to do with "illegal", although the way some people have done the job, they have ended up behind bars or heavily fined:- 1) The huge amounts charged for very simple work, that we had to do as slowly as possible, making it look complicated to the customer and 2) As the "worker", my share was pitiful...... That's horrifying Andy, and impressive! It is a really simple job, with the right teacher, almost anyone can do the work within a day or two. Acting ability is probably more important really!!! Just so you know, I have completely ignored your sarcasm, to give an honest answer for both you and anyone else here on Pedelec, OK? If you did not intend to be sarcastic, you make a poor job of writing your comments (that's my sarcasm back at you! ;) ) regards and have a great day Andy
October 21, 20214 yr Just so you know, I have completely ignored your sarcasm, to give an honest answer for both you and anyone else here on Pedelec, OK? If you did not intend to be sarcastic, you make a poor job of writing your comments (that's my sarcasm back at you! ;) ) regards and have a great day Andy I wasn't being sarcastic Andy! I really do think your locksmith skills - defeatng any lock within 30 seconds - are both impressive AND horrifying!
October 21, 20214 yr I wasn't being sarcastic Andy! I really do think your locksmith skills - defeatng any lock within 30 seconds - are both impressive AND horrifying! I didn't say "any Lock", I said opening a door......major difference! Andy
October 21, 20214 yr I didn't say "any Lock", I said opening a door......major difference! Andy Thats why I said it, as YouTube has educated many crooks in how to get to your valuables via the front (and the back) door. Even when the door was double locked, electric Picks can get you in, in under a minute in most cases, though some experience, practice and knowledge are needed first. For most front doors, where the wind shut the door for instance, a small plastic Coke bottle, with the top and bottom removed and the rest cut down one side, will push back the tongue/bolt perfectly......But knowing where that bolt is located, is the problem for many amateurs when the door is closed.... Large Coke bottles are too thin and bendy. The Locksmith's own tool is a special flat plastic, in several thicknesses, called a card. Credit and Bank cards will usually break and not open the door. If they work, the gap between the door and the frame is far too large, as they are simply too stiff for a proper fitting door. regards Andy
October 21, 20214 yr I wasn't being sarcastic Andy! I really do think your locksmith skills - defeatng any lock within 30 seconds - are both impressive AND horrifying! OK apology accepted. 'nuff said. Have a great day. Andy
October 22, 20214 yr I didn't say "any Lock", I said opening a door......major difference! Andy Aha! The FBI Master Key, emulated by boots on kicking legs all over the world.
October 22, 20214 yr That makes absolutely no sense to me personally, perhaps you would be so kind as to explain it (a lot) better please? Andy
October 22, 20214 yr That makes absolutely no sense to me personally, perhaps you would be so kind as to explain it (a lot) better please? Andy It's a joke Andy - the FBI kick doors down, referred to in some films as the "FBI Master Key". It's a sure way to get through doors, before door and lock designs improved to the stage where you can now pick your way through them, or card them. One method my neighbours experienced a few years ago was "Door bending" - burglars used a long crowbar to bend the door so much that the lock popped out of the door jamb. It was almost silent too. Luckily nobody was in.
October 22, 20214 yr It's a joke Andy - the FBI kick doors down, referred to in some films as the "FBI Master Key". It's a sure way to get through doors, before door and lock designs improved to the stage where you can now pick your way through them, or card them. One method my neighbours experienced a few years ago was "Door bending" - burglars used a long crowbar to bend the door so much that the lock popped out of the door jamb. It was almost silent too. Luckily nobody was in. Good explanation, many thanks. Living abroad for so long, I miss a lot of UK news, new words in the English language and more. But no, my methods do not stress the door, or the frame or the lock mechanism, they only push the tongue of the bolt back. My favourite method is with a Card (previously explained), or using special piano wire tools, to press it back. Both methods are speedy and leave the door and frame completely undamaged in any way. Once you have shown a householder just how fast and silent the method is, they get a huge shock! And start double locking the door properly, which makes it more difficult to open - but FAR from impossible...... Having any dog in a house that barks when the bell is rung, is, accoring to UK Police forces some years ago (and the burglars they put behind bars), the best way to put off a burglar. regards Andy
October 22, 20214 yr Once you have shown a householder just how fast and silent the method is, they get a huge shock! And start double locking the door properly, which makes it more difficult to open - but FAR from impossible...... That's what I did, as soon as I discovered my neighbours (four houses) had been burgled - a Policeman had suggested two locks. I also installed a very visible alarm system... that did the trick, apart from one night when someone tried to use the FBI Master Key on one of the locks - I could hear him cursing and limping away, after he hurt his foot kicking my door. I chuckled and went back to sleep. Most burglars are brute force types.
October 22, 20214 yr My favourite method is with a Card (previously explained), or using special piano wire tools, to press it back. That can't work on deadlocks, or can it? A popular lock in the UK is the Avocet: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Avocet-ABS-High-Security-Cylinder/dp/B00QAIDB98/ ...very popular and used on many doors - the problem is there's an "Avocet Opening Tool", which can be sold to anyone, which allows anyone at all to open it within seconds. I almost bought one, till I saw that opening tool for sale...
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