Replacement Battery choices for the e-trike

twinkle

E-Triker
May 14, 2013
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Peacehaven nr Brighton
Currently the E-trike is fitted with 4 x 12 v 12ah SLA batteries ( 2 each side of the recumbent seat ) apart from the 2 main disadvantages of weight ( 17kgs ) and reduced capacity at the 1 hour rate of 7.2 ah approximately they work and happily give a range of 15 miles per charge .
I can increase the range using additional SLA batteries and get around the silly weight limit imposed by the UK Lawmakers of 60kgs for the trike by towing another set of ( free 30ah ) batteries in a purpose built trailer giving a range of 70 miles in addition to the 15 miles at a penalty of another 50 kgs , The 3 brakes are still more than adequate , the twin front disc brakes will haul me to a stop well within the required distances . but all this is making the trike heavier and heavier . (85 mile range is overkill )
Having looked around the forum and looked at the various types of batteries and the cost they all seem to turn out around the £400 mark for a set of 48 v 10ah batteries to replace the (£90 per set ) SLA's currently in use , I am looking to replace the SLA during the summer months when the need for bigger capacity will become necessary for longer journeys in the better weather . 10 ah ( real 10ah ) lipo/lifepo4 batteries will increase the
range by 25% giving about 20 miles per charge .
Any suggestions are welcome on this subject , I can sort the problem myself given the information
but having retired a couple of years ago there is not the money in the pot to lash out on a prebuilt pack and in the past few years I have lost contact with the improvements in battery design .
One answer is to go the model aircraft route of lipos or lifepo4 and use 13 or 14 s2p ( we use these in electric powered model rc planes ) but this will need a specialist BMS system or charger .
Any thoughts on this problem are welcome .

regards emma
 

twinkle

E-Triker
May 14, 2013
249
93
Peacehaven nr Brighton
thanks Dave

Took a look at their site on Tuesday still waiting for a reply from them
. looks like a good pack , delivery was $100 will that order incur any extra duty payable in addition to the cost

regards emma
 

eHomer

Esteemed Pedelecer
Aug 20, 2012
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I'm watching this thread with interest because one of my "back burner" thoughts is to maybe sometime upgrade to a 48v lithium battery from my current 36v.

As Dave has already mentioned, the shrink wrap 48v 20ah with charger from BMS seems the most attractive, and I've had very good service from them (twice), thanks to recommendations from here.

I'm a bit worried about the potential import duty and tax though, because I just tried calculating it through http://www.dutycalculator.com/ and got a rather worrying estimate, much more than £30.

My BMS shopping cart came to $407, which was the $369 for the 48v20ah battery and charger, plus $37 of small spare parts. The shipping was quoted at $108, like Emma found, giving $516 total.

When I ran it through the import duty calculator though, it came up with a total customs value of £315, which gave duty of £167 and vat of £96 .

So going by that, the potential hit for customs could be £264, taking the "total landed cost" up to £578 !! :eek:

The customs calculation notes state "Battery And Charger has a duty rate of 4.7% and an Anti Dumping Duty rate of 48.5% because it was manufactured in China and has a VAT rate of 20%."

So 's this "anti dumping duty" that's giving such an increase.

Have I made a mistake somewhere, or is there a danger of getting charged that 48% when importing a lithium cycle battery from China ?


battery tax calc.jpg
 

flecc

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The customs calculation notes state "Battery And Charger has a duty rate of 4.7% and an Anti Dumping Duty rate of 48.5% because it was manufactured in China and has a VAT rate of 20%."

So 's this "anti dumping duty" that's giving such an increase.

Have I made a mistake somewhere, or is there a danger of getting charged that 48% when importing a lithium cycle battery from China ?
That 48% anti-dumping duty is for ordinary bicycles. It's 6% on e-bikes, and presumably that for their spares as well.
 

twinkle

E-Triker
May 14, 2013
249
93
Peacehaven nr Brighton
About £30. You can't be sure until you get the bill about two weeks after delivery.
That is the BIT i am afraid of , The £350 is bearable but for us on a pension its the last straw that breaks a camels back. Its a case of hold fire until here >>>>
emma
 
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I just received three motors, a battery and lots of other small stuff from them. The duty bill eas about £73, which is the highest I've ever had to pay.
 

eHomer

Esteemed Pedelecer
Aug 20, 2012
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That 48% anti-dumping duty is for ordinary bicycles. It's 6% on e-bikes, and presumably that for their spares as well.
I attached a screenshot of the customs calculation with my post, and I admit that the nearest category I could find in the dropdown list was "bicycle parts, other", so from what you're saying that's what triggered the 48% anti-dumping tax.

I also readily acknowledge that Dave has bought more ebike parts from China than I could ever hope to :) , so his experience of never being asked for that much tax is very valid.

It's still a bit worrying though, I seem to get hit every time with the customs fee, no matter which carrier I use, or even the Post Office.
 
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Cyclezee

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A few words of caution, almost 2 years ago I received a shipment from China with the incorrect description on the delivery note and my 'friends' at FedEx sent me a bill for the importation which included anti dumping duty.

Basically, due to a clerical error, the words 'electric assist' were missing along with the commodity code.

I spent a lot of time and effort trying to sort this out, I got the supplier to send a corrected delivery note, but FedEx, who are of course are only collecting the money on behalf of HMRC:rolleyes: did not accept it.

One thing I learnt, never ever deal with FedEx again.
 

twinkle

E-Triker
May 14, 2013
249
93
Peacehaven nr Brighton
I think for the moment "what aint broke , don't fix " The e-trike is quite happy running on the SLA batteries . and are only 3 months old ,

regards emma
 

twinkle

E-Triker
May 14, 2013
249
93
Peacehaven nr Brighton
Well 2 months on and I have bitten the bullet so to speak..
I have just ordered the second lithium 10.5 ah pack and I am hoping to get a 3rd bottle battery mount , then I can convert the green e-trike to lithium and fit a 2nd battery mount to the red trike , I can have 21 ah for during the week on my red e-trike giving a range ieo 35 miles and come weekends we can go out with a 10.5 ah pack each , Sorted ( I hope )

regards emma
 
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What controller and motor do you have? Are you sure that one of those 10.4 aH batteries can give enough current?
 

twinkle

E-Triker
May 14, 2013
249
93
Peacehaven nr Brighton
Hi Dave ,

I have been using "number one" of these batteries for 6 weeks so far , the spec says they are good for up to 800w motors and I am well under that
nice thing about these batteries are they can be locked onto the trike or removed leaving a substantial mount . They are saving weight wise about 12 kg over the 12 ah SLA batteries that in practice were only rated at 7.2 ah at their 1 hour rate ...
The battery is already fitted to the red trike in the "out and about" post in my blog .
Regards Emma
 

twinkle

E-Triker
May 14, 2013
249
93
Peacehaven nr Brighton
This is the battery spec
Specifications Model: 2014 Nominal voltage: 48V Capacity: 10.4Ah(25℃)
over-discharge protection.
Size 34 x 12 x 8 cms
Weight 4.3±0.05kg
Standard discharge 10±0.5A
Maximum continuous discharge current 25±0.5A
Discharge cut-off voltage ≥ 42V
Battery over-discharge protection
Charge voltage : 54.6±0.2V
Charg with matched charger Standard charge 2±0.5 AResistance ≤150mΩ Between discharge port of positive and negative extremesOperating temperature range -20~50℃
Storage temperature range -40~50℃
Storage humidity 5%~90%
Implementation Standards QB/T 2947.3-2008This battery is perfect for a motor up to 800 Watt E bike DC motor

Easy to Fit, Attaches to standard water bottle cage

regards emma
 
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A link would be useful!
A 10.4 aH one with 25 amps continuous is very unusual.