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Just got a cyclelife brochure through the door advertising lots of raleigh bikes including the Dover deluxe premium ..with schwalbe marathons as standard....£1799.99
so it looks like they will be ok for kalkhoff spares and servicing if required as ther are quite a few dotted around the country...
 
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Is that more or less the same bike as the Agattu that 50 cycles sells for £1595? The marathon plus tyres are different I suppose.
 
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looks like a pro-connect alfine
 
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its not the cost thats important,,if all the cyclelife shops sell and are trained and familiar with them that opens up 108 uk outlets where we can take kalfhoffs which they would be familiar with....great peace of mind.....:)
 
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Agreed about the dealers - always a weak point when dealing with 50 cycles. Still it is disappointing to see the Agattu is more expensive when sold as the Raleigh Dover.
 
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HarryB said:
Agreed about the dealers - always a week point when dealing with 50 cycles. Still it is disappointing to see the Agattu is more expensive when sold as the Raleigh Dover.
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No, the Dover is the Pro Connect equivalent, so price ok.

The Agattu equivalent is the Raleigh Leicester.

The Tasman equivalent is the Raleigh Leicester de Luxe.

These were previously imported by Hilderthorpe Cycles in Yorkshire who priced the Raleighs a bit below the Kalkhoffs.
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flecc said:
No, the Dover is the Pro Connect equivalent, so price ok.
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Not quite, this incarnation of the Raleigh Dover is the equivalent of the Agattu.

It has same sprung forks, nexus inter-8 hub, weight, sprung seatpost, handlebars.
 
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Yes, that's the Dover de Luxe Premium Tim, a luxury version of the Dover/Pro Connect, hence the higher price. It shouldn't be compared with the Agattu, despite some parts in common.

The Raleigh Dover is the Pro Connect equivalent as said, both standard versions.
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flecc said:
Yes, that's the Dover de Luxe Premium Tim, a luxury version of the Dover/Pro Connect, hence the higher price. It shouldn't be compared with the Agattu, despite some parts in common.

The Raleigh Dover is the Pro Connect equivalent as said, both standard versions.
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Well the links I posted clearly show that the the Dover de Luxe Premium is the same bike (more or less) as the agattu but £200 more. Maybe they named it wrongly but that doesn't explain the price. Quite why they call the basic version de luxe premium is beyond me. Mind you I used to drive a Ford Anglia that was also called de luxe but far from it.
 
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That model has the Pro Connect frame, hence the naming, it's not intended as an Agattu equivalent. These price disparities have always been there, the Pro Connect with rigid forks and seatpost didn't look good value at a very much higher price than the Agattu that had sprung forks and seatpost, especially after the Agattu gained the 8 speed hub.

As for the Raleigh and Kalkhoff names, it's just badge engineering, the Austin and Morris Mini thing all over again.
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The agattu and pro-connect frames are pretty similar - how can you tell it is a pro-connect frame with suspension forks from the picture? The pro-connect has the premium alfine while the agattu and this bike has the nexus. The standard pro-connect has never come with the suspension forks, those lovely comfort handlebars, suspension seat post etc. The spec and picture look like an agattu???
 
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The agattu and pro-connect frames are pretty similar - how can you tell it is a pro-connect frame with suspension forks from the picture?
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I was going by the frame jointing detail, the frames were different. Unfortunately Kalkhoff have discontinued the crossbar Agattus now it seems, so I can't show you those and the differences on their 2010 website.

They now make and list the 2010 bikes in a different way, Sport; meaning Pro Connects and Sahels, all with crossbars only, and Comfort; meaning Tasmans, Agattus and Jubilee, all the latter as step-through only now. Since this premium version has a crossbar, it must be a Pro Connect/Dover and not an Agattu. That's just their 2010 marketing, I can't explain it, it's just how it is.

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The pro-connect has the premium alfine while the agattu and this bike has the nexus. The standard pro-connect has never come with the suspension forks, those lovely comfort handlebars, suspension seat post etc. The spec and picture look like an agattu???
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It is these extras that make it a Premium bike, though a few pennies are probably saved on the hub ancillaries.

The Raleigh range is also listed under the Sport and Comfort headings, though they've dropped the Leicester model name and use Leeds instead. There isn't exact model matching since the Dover also has step-through variants which the Pro Connect doesn't now.
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Yes, that's the Dover de Luxe Premium Tim, a luxury version of the Dover/Pro Connect, hence the higher price. It shouldn't be compared with the Agattu, despite some parts in common.

The Raleigh Dover is the Pro Connect equivalent as said, both standard versions.
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The Dover De Luxe Premium is an Agattu with a Raleigh badge and paintjob. There is no longer a Raleigh Leicester in the 2010 line-up.
 
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I was going by the frame jointing detail, the frames were different. Unfortunately Kalkhoff have discontinued the crossbar Agattus now it seems, so I can't show you those and the differences on their 2010 website.

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This is not the case, the Agattu, Tasman and Agattu XXL are all available with a crossbar in 2010.
 
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The Raleigh range is also listed under the Sport and Comfort headings, though they've dropped the Leicester model name and use Leeds instead. There isn't exact model matching since the Dover also has step-through variants which the Pro Connect doesn't now.
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Not true, the Pro Connect is available with a step-thru frame.
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No photograph != no bike
 
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I was going by the frame jointing detail, the frames were different. Unfortunately Kalkhoff have discontinued the crossbar Agattus now it seems, so I can't show you those and the differences on their 2010 website.

They now make and list the 2010 bikes in a different way, Sport; meaning Pro Connects and Sahels, all with crossbars only, and Comfort; meaning Tasmans, Agattus and Jubilee, all the latter as step-through only now. Since this premium version has a crossbar, it must be a Pro Connect/Dover and not an Agattu. That's just their 2010 marketing, I can't explain it, it's just how it is.


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Not so - visit 50cycles Electric Bikes - Home of the UK's Best Electric Bicycles and you'll see we offer each model with either a crossbar or stepthru, in four frame sizes in each.

here, for example, is the 2010 crossbar Agattu (we've ordered mainly silver, but here it is in magnumbrown)


and here is the 2010 Pro Connect Wave (step thru)
 
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Kalkhoff Agattu C



Raleigh Dover De Luxe Premium
 
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Thanks for the extra information Tim, I was going by the Kalkhoff website which as reported doesn't show any
choice. The Raleigh site does show the variants so I'd seen those.

Derby Cycles are going to create no end of confusion with these model changes, combined with name changes
and website differences.
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flecc said:
Thanks for the extra information Tim, I was going by the Kalkhoff website which as reported doesn't show any
choice. The Raleigh site does show the variants so I'd seen those.

Derby Cycles are going to create no end of confusion with these model changes, combined with name changes
and website differences.
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Possibly, but they leave it up to their national dealers to clarify things for their own customers, and to take or leave the models, frame sizes and options they choose.

So for British customers, at least, our website is the best guide to what will be generally available, though we are open to special orders for models we haven't ordered up front from Derby (including any of their marvellous non-electric models).
 
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