Pro-Connect - My First Ride

flecc

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Actually it's an exaggeration Poppy, the elevations on this part of your journey I've multiplied by three times to give you a fright! I can't really do much about the size with more detail, it would have to be a smaller area with more detail or a larger area with less detail, but let me know if you want it with elevations as I've exaggerated so you can use it for boasting, or with the elevations correct.
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poppy

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Jun 9, 2008
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Actually it's an exaggeration Poppy, the elevations on this part of your journey I've multiplied by three times to give you a fright! I can't really do much about the size with more detail, it would have to be a smaller area with more detail or a larger area with less detail, but let me know if you want it with elevations as I've exaggerated so you can use it for boasting, or with the elevations correct.
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If I gave you some names that ought to appear in your crystal ball, regarding 30 km diameter with Ferrol at the center of the radius, would you be able to tell me what to expect from the dashed bikes? Here you go: Serantes, Mandiá, Papoi. San Jorge, Doniños, Balón Mougá. These are small villages with long hills you have to climb going to or from my village which is Covas.
Any tips yet for me regarding my problems with my current bike?
In my present frame of mind (after the crash very similar to that of a tmid invalid)
the W. bounces back in an effort to grab my attention!
Won´t you be glad to get ridden of me?
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flecc

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You'll need to give me a little time with that Poppy, the contour relief I showed before isn't much good for judging the climbs so I'll use different methods.

Re: your present bike, I mailed back a question but haven't had the answer. Does it use a lithium battery?
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Larkspur

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Thanks for your input. But I´m afraid that I am not in your major"fitness"leagues.
Poppy - the point I have been trying to make all along is that you don't need to be in any major fitness league! You just have to not be in any major unfitness league.

Chris
 

poppy

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You'll need to give me a little time with that Poppy, the contour relief I showed before isn't much good for judging the climbs so I'll use different methods.

Re: your present bike, I mailed back a question but haven't had the answer. Does it use a lithium battery?
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Take your time, by all means. Yes, Lithium ion 36v. 12 ah, whatever the hell that means!
 

poppy

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Poppy - the point I have been trying to make all along is that you don't need to be in any major fitness league! You just have to not be in any major unfitness league.

Chris
Ha ha! nicely put! I would hopefully rate myself to be in the junior leagues. Pedalling along in flat on sixth or seventh high gear would put me there, wouldn´t it? But I´ve read that horrid word "sweat" in your hill climbing...and I´ve started cringing!
 

flecc

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If I gave you some names that ought to appear in your crystal ball, regarding 30 km diameter with Ferrol at the center of the radius, would you be able to tell me what to expect from the dashed bikes? Here you go: Serantes, Mandiá, Papoi. San Jorge, Doniños, Balón Mougá. These are small villages with long hills you have to climb going to or from my village which is Covas.
It's a bit of a struggle finding these little villages on the type of map system I use for this, but I've examined the route route from Covas to Serantes and it's steepest climbs are less that 8% (1 in 13 generally), Both bikes can handle those with some help from you, and if you manage them on your current bike you shouldn't have a problem. On hills of this order there's very little difference between the two bikes in terms of rider effort, the Kalkhoff will climb better on steeper ones, the Wisper will climb faster on those less steep.

As you see from that, their different drive methods prevent useful direct comparisons on the same factors.
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poppy

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It's a bit of a struggle finding these little villages on the type of map system I use for this, but I've examined the route route from Covas to Serantes and it's steepest climbs are less that 8% (1 in 13 generally), Both bikes can handle those with some help from you, and if you manage them on your current bike you shouldn't have a problem. On hills of this order there's very little difference between the two bikes in terms of rider effort, the Kalkhoff will climb better on steeper ones, the Wisper will climb faster on those less steep.

As you see from that, their different drive methods prevent useful direct comparisons on the same factors.
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Morning Flecc:
Is it true that you just have to let your weight step down on the pedal and the motor instantly starts you off? This is imnportant when in junctions, traffic lights and stopping uphill and starting again, being as I am an insecure cyclist.
Can I change gears while at a standstill? Same reasons.
Does the motor carry on a little (like the throttle ones) on the flat when you stop pedalling?
Will I really notice the almost 3kg less of the Pro C. compared to the W.905 se?
I´m almost there, ha ha!
 

Chris_Bike

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May 20, 2008
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Calling Larkspur

Hi Chris,

I'm glad that you are enjoying the bike so much, it is certainly a great machine. I wonder if you could do a little experiment for me and weigh it (easiest done on bathroom scales by weighing yourself +/- carrying the bike).

I'm just curious because I know that there was some uncertainty about the Agattu weight and the Pro-Connect seemed heavier than I expected when I picked it up at Presteigne.

Happy Cycling,
 

flecc

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Morning Flecc:
Is it true that you just have to let your weight step down on the pedal and the motor instantly starts you off? This is imnportant when in junctions, traffic lights and stopping uphill and starting again, being as I am an insecure cyclist.
Can I change gears while at a standstill? Same reasons.
Does the motor carry on a little (like the throttle ones) on the flat when you stop pedalling?
Will I really notice the almost 3kg less of the Pro C. compared to the W.905 se?
I´m almost there, ha ha!
Yes, you do notice the surge forward when you press on the pedal at a standstill on the Panasonic system, since that immediately gives full power at that point. People who are not familiar with the system are surprised by that and have to learn not to accidentally press abit too hard when waiting at traffic lights etc. That start off power is much better than on the Wisper hub motor system, though that tends to be faster once it gets going.

I don't think you'll notice a dramatic difference in the weight. Think of your weight and the bike's combined and you'll see that we are only considering a 3% difference which is tiny. However, the pedalling and rolling resistance of the Pro Connect is less than the hub motored Wisper.
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poppy

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Yes, you do notice the surge forward when you press on the pedal at a standstill on the Panasonic system, since that immediately gives full power at that point. People who are not familiar with the system are surprised by that and have to learn not to accidentally press abit too hard when waiting at traffic lights etc. That start off power is much better than on the Wisper hub motor system, though that tends to be faster once it gets going.

I don't think you'll notice a dramatic difference in the weight. Think of your weight and the bike's combined and you'll see that we are only considering a 3% difference which is tiny. However, the pedalling and rolling resistance of the Pro Connect is less than the hub motored Wisper.
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You are pushing me onto the jumping board...! I´ve just done my first round trip Covas Ferrol. And just as predicted (and you confirmed): Motor cuts out and battery lights turns off once each way midhill. Had as always turned off battery few minutes then turn on and everything is Ok. Very annoying!
 

flecc

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You are pushing me onto the jumping board...! I´ve just done my first round trip Covas Ferrol. And just as predicted (and you confirmed): Motor cuts out and battery lights turns off once each way midhill. Had as always turned off battery few minutes then turn on and everything is Ok. Very annoying!
That won't happen with today's Wisper battery or with the Pro Connect.

Since you can cycle that route ok on your current e-bike, either bike will be suitable, the Wisper easier on the gentle slopes, the Pro Connect easier on the steep ones if you use slow pedalling speeds to get it's full power.
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poppy

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That won't happen with today's Wisper battery or with the Pro Connect.

Since you can cycle that route ok on your current e-bike, either bike will be suitable, the Wisper easier on the gentle slopes, the Pro Connect easier on the steep ones if you use slow pedalling speeds to get it's full power.
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By slow pedalling speeds, you mean small sprocket wheels/low gears or slow cadence of pedallinf no matter the gear?
So, if I pedal on small gears and top power it would be like the W. but at a lower speed?
But doesn´t the W. look bulkier and bigger, more cumbersome (is his the right word?)?
 

flecc

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Slower cadence whatever gear you are in, the full power only being available up to a cadence of 39, after that gradually reducing. At a cadence of 65 there's no more assistance left.

With the Wisper like your present bike, the cadence doesn't matter.

The Wisper does have a heavier look, and it is 2.8 kilos heavier, but of course it has a 40% larger battery.
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poppy

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Slower cadence whatever gear you are in, the full power only being available up to a cadence of 39, after that gradually reducing. At a cadence of 65 there's no more assistance left.

With the Wisper like your present bike, the cadence doesn't matter.

The Wisper does have a heavier look, and it is 2.8 kilos heavier, but of course it has a 40% larger battery.
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Now youé into real trouble! Just ordered the K.A. Pro. Are you aware of the amount of questions i am going to ask you? May The Good Lord assist you!
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flecc

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Now youé into real trouble! Just ordered the K.A. Pro. Are you aware of the amount of questions i am going to ask you? May The Good Lord assist you!
Regards.
Don't you be so sure Poppy. You'll be so busy on board enjoying it you won't have time to type. :)
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Larkspur

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Feb 19, 2008
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Hi Chris,

I'm glad that you are enjoying the bike so much, it is certainly a great machine. I wonder if you could do a little experiment for me and weigh it (easiest done on bathroom scales by weighing yourself +/- carrying the bike).

I'm just curious because I know that there was some uncertainty about the Agattu weight and the Pro-Connect seemed heavier than I expected when I picked it up at Presteigne.

Happy Cycling,
Hi Chris,

I would have been happy to do as you you asked - but unfortunately I don't own a set of bathroom scales so I can't. The P-C seems reasonably light and manageable to me. I have just been down to the garage and tried to compare it with my son's Raleigh Urban hybrid (15" frame). Without the battery in the P-C is obviously still the heavier bike, but there is not a big difference (subjectively anyway).

Sorry not to be able to oblige (I tend to go by how I look rather than how much I weigh - if I think I need to lose weight I don't lke to depress myself by weighing myself).

I've enjoyed reading about your new bike as well - sounds like a very nice machine.

Chris
 

flecc

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Hi Chris,

I would have been happy to do as you you asked - but unfortunately I don't own a set of bathroom scales so I can't. The P-C seems reasonably light and manageable to me.

Chris
I think the 20.8 kilos is believable, and A to B has just reported it in round kilo terms as 21 kilos on test in the latest issue. They do normally check the weights as they've picked up on errors in the past.
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rustyrocker

Finding my (electric) wheels
May 6, 2008
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Hi chaps.

I meant to weigh my 57 Pro Connect when it arrived last week, but the previous messages here have reminded me to, so here goes.

I weigh 14 stone without bike, and 17 stone 3 and a half pounds with, but havent got a clue what that means in euro whatsits:confused: , so perhaps one of you would have a look on a conversion thingy. Hope that helps.

Mick