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I can clearly remember watching it, but can you provide a link to something you watched on TV? I was at my dad's funeral, my mum's funeral and my son's funeral, but I cannot provide a 'link'. I can remember them perfectly. There seems to be a lot of cognitive dissonance in this thread.
The rollout happened too soon. The vaccinated shielded you and your ilk from death.
 
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MikelBikel

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"Coalition of the K y lling" , Yes much more apt? :cool:
Which of these were even Elected?
Urzula Fund der Die-ing?
And which Not by Anonymous Postal Voting?
 

MikelBikel

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What an idea?
An Irish Foreign Legion!
As Ireland only has 7,000 forces personnel, they will have to be reinforced from the 8,000 strong Tax dept bods, and other civil servants.
And then any man or woman, 18-60 who has been in the country less than the naturalisation period may be called up for active service in a Foreign legion?
Yookranians would like to enlist first, wouldn't they?!
Slainte :cool:
 
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Ghost1951

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The plan is to provide air cover for Ukrainian troops plus missiles.
How?

You probably know that the Russians have rather good anti aircraft systems, which have kept Ukrainian air power at a long distance from most of the battle zones.

What Starmer's stupid posturing does (aside from making him look ridiculous - because the Russians well know our impotent state) is to risk war between the UK and Russia.

It is one thing to supply help and advice in the form of intel and hardware. It is quite another to put UK troops into battle with Russians . As a lad I used to wonder how it was that British politicians were stupid enough and blinkered enough to stumble into World War 1 when we never needed to have that debacle. Likewise I wondered how it was that when Nazi Germany was building a massive war machine in the mid 1930s we didn't see what was coming and prepare. I look at Starmer and see him making the first mistake by proposing troop deployments that will bring us into direct conflict with Russia. Maybe he has time to avoid the second of those mistakes by cranking up arms production and manpower recruitment to unprecedented levels.

In the military build up part, he will find massive opposition from the left in his party. All they ever want is more money to throw at the black hole of the NHS and welfare. They are like ostriches burying their heads when a predator is stalking them.

Russia under Putin is intent on re-establishing control all around its current borders. The Poles, the Fins, the Baltics and the other front line border states know that very well and they only recently escaped from the suffocating occupations of the mid twentieth century when they were completely under Russian domination. Poland is spending 4.1% of gdp on arms. The UK spends 2.5% and much of it has been spent badly in the past. Germany is spending 1.5%.

Ukraine is spending 37% of gdp to keep the Russians from over-running them completely.

In the end, it is much cheaper to spend to deter war, rather than to have to fight one.
 
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soundwave

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the plan is to bankrupt the eu for there cbdc the uk and eu is broke and who will fight for uk corporation plc.

The first units are to be delivered to the British Army in 2025. A total of 148 tanks are to be produced, with core development costs estimated at 906.9 million British pounds sterling (1.17 billion US dollars). By the spring of 2024, eight pre-production tanks had been delivered and trials had commenced in Germany.
 
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I applaud the sentiments, but I doubt the practicality. Our armed forces are so run down in numbers and in equipment that we can not even hope to put a substantial force into operation anywhere unless they are hopelessly ill-equipped and then we could not sustain any sort of long term effort because we have not enough men to rotate them out of the front line of any conflict.

Starmer is talking through his ar se about us sending troops into Ukraine. We could not do it and we could not supply the required artillery and air cover that would be needed. If he thinks Putin will be impressed by the thought of a few thousand badly equipped Brit soldiers arriving in Ukraine he has another thing coming. The idea is laughable, not because we could not have supplied good troops at one time, but because we have systematically hollowed out our armed forces for decades now. The French are in the same boat. Remember - the Russian attitude towards losses of men and war fighting equipment is not the same as ours is. they don't care and they will just keep on sending waves of men to die and pile up until the enemy suffocate under the bodies. THAT is exactly what they have been doing in Ukraine and it is what they did in WW1 and WW2. They just swamp the battlefield with badly led, badly equipped troops in massive numbers. A few thousand Brits and French will get nowhere if the Ukrainians with a couple of million men couldn't win. In the end, what wins wars is massive industrial production. Heavy armament not 5.6mm rifles and a few fit lads in khaki.
You're probably misunderstanding Starmer's reasons for sending troops to Ukraine. You need to think outside the box a bit. Also you need to think about what they're saying about conscription. If we have conscription in UK, who's going to get conscripted? Will it be the 30,000 illegal immigrants that have come in since Starmer took the job of protecting our borders, will it be the Tommy Robinson supporters, or will it be all the unemployed, who are draining the social security budget?
 

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One of the problems Starmer will find in re-arming the UK, is that we have wiped out much of the heavy engineering and manufacturing capability we once had.

Steel production is virtually reduced to melting scrap now. Only today I heard that British Steel is to shut its blast furnaces at Scunthorpe. The thing is - high quality steel is not made out of scrap melted in an electric arc furnace. You can make rebar and girders and tin cans out of that, and car bodies, but you can't make specialised hard steels for armaments out of scrap. You need to make that stuff from iron ore and coal - quality steels need carbon. The buffoons in charge think we can buy that stuff from China, and we can, while we have control of the oceans. In a conflict with Russia, we would soon find our access to cargo from afar compromised. Russia has an extensive naval presence and submarine fleet.
 
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Ghost1951

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You're probably misunderstanding Starmer's reasons for sending troops to Ukraine. You need to think outside the box a bit. Also you need to think about what they're saying about conscription. If we have conscription in UK, who's going to get conscripted? Will it be the 30,000 illegal immigrants that have come in since Starmer took the job of protecting our borders, will it be the Tommy Robinson supporters, or will it be all the unemployed, who are draining the social security budget?
The army has generally been dead set against conscription. They don't want a load of ninnies turning up at their camps complaining about mental health and trans issues, and they also don't want a bunch of surly captives being dragged in. They want fit, keen lads of the sort we have been recruiting since the 1960s. Manpower has been reduced by government policy not lack of available volunteers. Those men need good equipment in generous supply, and they need the support of ample artillery, massive stocks of ammunition and all the rest. Our leaders took their eyes off the ball since bout 2000. They thought we need not worry about Russia or invasions ever again and that suppressing a few rag tag terror fanatics would be all we need do. They cut back on manpower and investment in heavy weapons accordingly and stocks of artillery and shells. The land war in Ukraine shows the mistake of that thinking. Ukraine has been firing 5000, 155mm artillery shells EVERY DAY to keep the Russian hordes at bay. They have had a million shells donated to them aside from what they make themselves. BAE systems has increased its production eight fold, but they don't say how many they can make a day. It will be nowhere near the 5000 a day that Ukraine has been firing at the Russians though.
 

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There's no definitive, official number for the total number of undocumented immigrants in the UK, and the Home Office states that it doesn't seek to make official estimates of the "illegal population". However, estimates from various sources range from 800,000 to 1.2 million people living in the UK without a valid residence permit

Figure 1: The estimated number of vacancies is broadly unchanged on the quarter, at 816,000

The claimant count is the number of people claiming Jobseeker's Allowance plus people claiming Universal Credit who are required to seek work. There were 1.78 million claimants in February 2025, which was 44,000 more than the month before and 203,000 more than in February 2024.


dont add up does it plus they all get dental care and must be seen in a and e within 30 mins.

so who gets the jobs ppl born in the uk or immigrants because there is not enough for both and they keep piling them in to bankrupt the benefit system on purpose.

there wont be any dwp offices buy 2030 mine game over 2028 as sold the building to be turned in to flats and all there jobs given to ai.

they found it funny 10 years ago there not very happy pow :p
 

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The army has generally been dead set against conscription. They don't want a load of ninnies turning up at their camps complaining about mental health and trans issues, and they also don't want a bunch of surly captives being dragged in. They want fit, keen lads of the sort we have been recruiting since the 1960s. Manpower has been reduced by government policy not lack of available volunteers. Those men need good equipment in generous supply, and they need the support of ample artillery, massive stocks of ammunition and all the rest. Our leaders took their eyes off the ball since bout 2000. They thought we need not worry about Russia or invasions ever again and that suppressing a few rag tag terror fanatics would be all we need do. They cut back on manpower and investment in heavy weapons accordingly and stocks of artillery and shells. The land war in Ukraine shows the mistake of that thinking. Ukraine has been firing 5000, 155mm artillery shells EVERY DAY to keep the Russian hordes at bay. They have had a million shells donated to them aside from what they make themselves. BAE systems has increased its production eight fold, but they don't say how many they can make a day. It will be nowhere near the 5000 a day that Ukraine has been firing at the Russians though.
That's not what happened in Ukraine. Normal guys were dragged off the streets, bungled into vans, marched up and down a playground for two weeks, then transported to the front lines to get blown up by Russian drones and precision artillary.
 
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soundwave

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they got zero disability rates tho ;)
 
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That's not what happened in Ukraine. Normal guys were dragged off the streets, bungled into vans, marched up and down a playground for two weeks, then transported to the front lines to get blown up by Russian drones and precision artillary.
that sounds like what Putin would do. Lads from far away from Moscow especially in Asian regions are tempted to enrol with large sign-up payment and a salary twice what they would get locally.

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A growing number of the troops in Ukraine are contracted. They will serve a three-year term, receiving room and board as well as medical insurance, clothing allowance, and a pension after 20 years of service.

These are men who sign up, usually for three years, usually in response to advertisements the Russian MOD posts on job websites which often promise a host of benefits.

The starting wage for them is 160,000 roubles a month, ($1,792 or £1,408), which in Russia is seen as a good salary.

It is around three-and-a-half times the national average, according to official Russian government figures. The average monthly wage earned by Russians is 71,419 roubles a month ($756 or £639).
 
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That's not what happened in Ukraine. Normal guys were dragged off the streets, bungled into vans, marched up and down a playground for two weeks, then transported to the front lines to get blown up by Russian drones and precision artillary.
If they were as badly trained as you say, they would never have been able to keep a vastly larger army from five times bigger population at bay for three years.

The one thing that really surprised me about this war was that it wasn't over in a week. The Russians turned up with massive lines of equipment and hundreds of thousands of men and were beaten back and stalled. The Russians have lost about a million men in killed and maimed - all of that damage inflicted by the troops you are describing as ill trained. They seem to have done remarkably well in my opinion, albeit that a large share of the ammunition and missiles have been supplied from outside the country. They have been making and adapting their own killer drones and even naval surface drones which have sunk huge battleships from the Russian side.

In all out war - conscription is probably the only way you can supply the needed manpower - but in the UK it has never been popular with the military because they get a lot of not ideal people chucked at them.
 

soundwave

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na they did do that and still are its a bit like saying im throwing ppl in to the fire and we are not killing them the fire is.


we all be broke buy then :p

 

Ghost1951

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that sounds like what Putin would do. Lads from far away from Moscow especially in Asian regions are tempted to enrol with large sign-up payment and a salary twice what they would get locally.

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A growing number of the troops in Ukraine are contracted. They will serve a three-year term, receiving room and board as well as medical insurance, clothing allowance, and a pension after 20 years of service.

These are men who sign up, usually for three years, usually in response to advertisements the Russian MOD posts on job websites which often promise a host of benefits.

The starting wage for them is 160,000 roubles a month, ($1,792 or £1,408), which in Russia is seen as a good salary.

It is around three-and-a-half times the national average, according to official Russian government figures. The average monthly wage earned by Russians is 71,419 roubles a month ($756 or £639).
Don't forget the slave soldiers sent by North Korea. They also sent Putin a million artillery shells and some howitzers. The troops from NK were bewildered and completely inflexible - especially in the face of those nasty little drones that were flying into them and blowing up a couple of ounces of HE on contact. But though not ideal, there are a lot of them and more have been sent since.
 

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and thats why they get housed b4 anyone uk born
 

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soundwave

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so 30.000 costs 40k each on benefits and housing it is all complete and total bs o_O