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Woosh

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Show me where the voters are in favour of cutting disability and other benefits to provide more arms for Ukraine and a bigger stockpile of arms for Europe.

Nobody wants that of ever voted for it and it certainly isn't centrist.
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Welfare cuts come with quite a lot of negative effects but 51% of those polled by yougov think that where the scope for cuts can be made. Similarly, cutting the number of civil servants in Whitehall is popular.
We will know soon at the May election.
 
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Ghost1951

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Show me where the voters are in favour of cutting disability and other benefits to provide more arms for Ukraine and a bigger stockpile of arms for Europe.

Nobody wants that of ever voted for it and it certainly isn't centrist.
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I could take you to two young men under 30 in a village near where I live who have declared themselves unwell through mental health reasons to get on income support. There have been millions of people doing this since covid, This trend is NOT seen anywhere else in the world - only here in the UK, because we have put in place a system which allows people to declare themselves as sufferers of depression and just about double their income support money and also NOT having to account for their 'disabled' status from time to time. Those two lads I told you about, spend much of their time out poaching and the rest of the time, they make hay in the sunshine, while your taxes and mine support them. They are an absolute disgrace. I'd have them put in a cage for six months up on the high moors. They'd soon realise they were not depressed at all.

We have several million people of working age who are not working and are on some form of income support. They need to earn their own living. We all know about them. There is one on here who is always whining about how he hasn't been given enough, and boasting about his drug habit and dangerous over powered riding. Contemptible parasitism.

People who are genuinely properly disabled are a VERY different matter. I'm not talking about them and neither is the government.
 
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Woosh

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Show me where the voters are in favour of cutting disability and other benefits to provide more arms for Ukraine and a bigger stockpile of arms for Europe.
For this year, Reeves allocates 2.2 billions additional funds to increase the numbers of UK soldiers, not to spend anymore on Ukraine. Although NATO has more than 2 million soldiers against Putin's 1.4M, there is no way we can increase defense spending fast enough to replace the USA in aids to Ukraine and stop Putin. All we can hope for is either Putin is gone and if he's not, he would pause 3-4 years after the ceasefire is concluded. By then, Germany, France, Italy and UK would be strong enough to defend Ukraine and prevent Putin to try again.
 

Ghost1951

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If we don't oppose Putin's power grab in Ukraine we will soon find ourselves in another 1939 situation. There have always been a fifth columnists in this country who advocate appeasement and support for power grabbing dictators. We had them in the 1930s and we have them now and we have them on here too.

One thing I really didn't expect is that we would have a dictator in the Whitehouse who is continually harping on about how a big strong country like his needs to control the neighbours and take over their country.

Trump is set on getting Greenland, Canada, Panama and even Gaza..... I wonder how most Americans will react when the Chinese follow that lead and seize Taiwan and other neighbours, assert total control of that part of the Pacific and when Russia moves into other areas of Europe, like the Norwegian Arctic. He has already declared Ukraine a non-country and part of Russia's rightly dominated hinterland.

This is a truly disastrous precedent coming from Trump. America has elected a total nutter into a very powerful position.
 
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I call bullshit! Provide a link or it didn't happen.
I can clearly remember watching it, but can you provide a link to something you watched on TV? I was at my dad's funeral, my mum's funeral and my son's funeral, but I cannot provide a 'link'. I can remember them perfectly. There seems to be a lot of cognitive dissonance in this thread.
 

nigelbb

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I can clearly remember watching it, but can you provide a link to something you watched on TV? I was at my dad's funeral, my mum's funeral and my son's funeral, but I cannot provide a 'link'. I can remember them perfectly. There seems to be a lot of cognitive dissonance in this thread.
It didn't happen or you misremembered but in any case why shouldn't the PM advise people to get vaccinated? Vaccines have probably saved more lives than any other medical intervention.
 

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People who are genuinely properly disabled are a VERY different matter. I'm not talking about them and neither is the government.
But that is never how it works out in practice. We repeated see the genuine suffer in case after case while the scroungers continue as ever. Government never works well, the less a government does, the better, the more it micro manages, the worse things get. As Rachel Reeves is discovering, albeit painfully slowly.
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Trump is set on getting Greenland, Canada, Panama and even Gaza..... I wonder how most Americans will react when the Chinese follow that lead and seize Taiwan and other neighbours
Maybe the next step is for Putin to reclaim the previously Russian territory of Alaska.
 
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saneagle

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They usually govern for their voters. Starmer is possibly the one that is nearer to the centre than Johnson, May, Blair and Cameron.
I think you're wrong. Go and ask twenty random people in Southend town centre whetheer they would vote for him. Whatever he's doing is against his voters. I've never met a single person that has anything good to say about him. Do you think he's a good guy?
 

MikelBikel

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If we don't oppose Putin's power grab in Ukraine we will soon find ourselves in another 1939 situation. There have always been a fifth columnists in this country who advocate appeasement and support for power grabbing dictators. We had them in the 1930s and we have them now and we have them on here too.

One thing I really didn't expect is that we would have a dictator in the Whitehouse who is continually harping on about how a big strong country like his needs to control the neighbours and take over their country's. Trump is set on getting Greenland, Canada, Panama and even Gaza..... I wonder how most Americans will react when the Chinese follow that lead and seize Taiwan and other neighbours, assert total control of that part of the Pacific and when Russia moves into other areas of Europe than the one he declared a non-country and part of Russia's rightly dominated hinterland.

This is a truly disastrous precedent coming from Trump. America has elected a total nutter into a very powerful position.
Kareful vat vun vishes fur! ;-)
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Ghost1951

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For this year, Reeves allocates 2.2 billions additional funds to increase the numbers of UK soldiers, not to spend anymore on Ukraine. Although NATO has more than 2 million soldiers against Putin's 1.4M, there is no way we can increase defense spending fast enough to replace the USA in aids to Ukraine and stop Putin. All we can hope for is either Putin is gone and if he's not, he would pause 3-4 years after the ceasefire is concluded. By then, Germany, France, Italy and UK would be strong enough to defend Ukraine and prevent Putin to try again.
I applaud the sentiments, but I doubt the practicality. Our armed forces are so run down in numbers and in equipment that we can not even hope to put a substantial force into operation anywhere unless they are hopelessly ill-equipped and then we could not sustain any sort of long term effort because we have not enough men to rotate them out of the front line of any conflict.

Starmer is talking through his ar se about us sending troops into Ukraine. We could not do it and we could not supply the required artillery and air cover that would be needed. If he thinks Putin will be impressed by the thought of a few thousand badly equipped Brit soldiers arriving in Ukraine he has another thing coming. The idea is laughable, not because we could not have supplied good troops at one time, but because we have systematically hollowed out our armed forces for decades now. The French are in the same boat. Remember - the Russian attitude towards losses of men and war fighting equipment is not the same as ours is. they don't care and they will just keep on sending waves of men to die and pile up until the enemy suffocate under the bodies. THAT is exactly what they have been doing in Ukraine and it is what they did in WW1 and WW2. They just swamp the battlefield with badly led, badly equipped troops in massive numbers. A few thousand Brits and French will get nowhere if the Ukrainians with a couple of million men couldn't win. In the end, what wins wars is massive industrial production. Heavy armament not 5.6mm rifles and a few fit lads in khaki.
 

MikelBikel

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Welfare cuts come with quite a lot of negative effects but 51% of those polled by yougov think that where the scope for cuts can be made. Similarly, cutting the number of civil servants in Whitehall is popular.
We will know soon at the May election.
Which parts of the UK Have Not Cancelled their May Elekshuns? :)
 

Woosh

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I applaud the sentiments, but I doubt the practicality. Our armed forces are so run down in numbers and in equipment that we can not even hope to put a substantial force into operation anywhere unless they are hopelessly ill-equipped and then we could not sustain any sort of long term effort because we have not enough men to rotate them out of the front line of any conflict.

Starmer is talking through his ar se about us sending troops into Ukraine. We could not do it and we could not supply the required artillery and air cover that would be needed. If he thinks Putin will be impressed by the thought of a few thousand badly equipped Brit soldiers arriving in Ukraine he has another thing coming. The idea is laughable, not because we could not have supplied good troops at one time, but because we have systematically hollowed out our armed forces for decades now. The French are in the same boat. Remember - the Russian attitude towards losses of men and war fighting equipment is not the same as ours is. they don't care and they will just keep on sending waves of men to die and pile up until the enemy suffocate under the bodies. THAT is exactly what they have been doing in Ukraine and it is what they did in WW1 and WW2. They just swamp the battlefield with badly led, badly equipped troops in massive numbers. A few thousand Brits and French will get nowhere if the Ukrainians with a couple of million men couldn't win. In the end, what wins wars is massive industrial production. Heavy armament not 5.6mm rifles and a few fit lads in khaki.
The plan is to provide air cover for Ukrainian troops plus missiles.
 
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