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[saneagle]

Nobody wins traditional wars anymore.
Killing people is ineffictive

You're completely deluded from watching too much MSM. The Russians have been winning that war since the day it started.
TASS reports that the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost 906,500 servicemen—killed and wounded—since the beginning of the special military operation.
The number of military personnel killed and wounded in 2024 alone was 462,500. This is more than the total number of losses in 2022 and 2023.

The Russians advanced another 100sq km yesterday. The Ukranian front lines have all but collapsed. Every day without fail, the front lines move forward in favour of the Russians.

Did you see the hypersonic ICBM that the Russians fired at Dnipro? There is no defence against that, and it can carry nuclear warheads. That was clearly a shot across the bows - probably a final warning.

They did the same to Putin over Ukraine: They kept poking him untill he reacted.

 

[MikelBikel]

Some interesting points..
Is "Climate" the new religion, because it's a "belief" without facts?

 

[Woosh]

You're completely deluded from watching too much MSM. The Russians have been winning that war since the day it started.
TASS reports that the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost 906,500 servicemen—killed and wounded—since the beginning of the special military operation.
The number of military personnel killed and wounded in 2024 alone was 462,500. This is more than the total number of losses in 2022 and 2023.

The Russians advanced another 100sq km yesterday. The Ukranian front lines have all but collapsed. Every day without fail, the front lines move forward in favour of the Russians.

Did you see the hypersonic ICBM that the Russians fired at Dnipro? There is no defence against that, and it can carry nuclear warheads. That was clearly a shot across the bows - probably a final warning. They did the same to Putin over Ukraine: They kept poking him untill he reacted.

Hitler's army were at the doors of Moscow and still didn't win. NATO troops occupied Afghanistan for years and didn't win. Superior fire power is not enough. 3 years after the war in Ukraine started, how much territory did Russians occupy? At this rate, the war could drag on until the next u.s. presidential election.

 

[Ghost1951]

@flecc You said look at Georgia. Who controls the media? Who won the last election? Georgia and Moldova are about to fall back into Putin's control.

He won't stop UNLESS the price he must pay is too high.

About two years ago, I thought the end of this war would see the Dombass and Crimea irretrievably under his control, unless he was deposed by a more amenable leader. I don't see that while he is healthy enough to continue, because he has got rid of anyone who might have challenged him and his control of all media and suppression of all opposition is inescapable.

So - he will likely end up with the Dombass AT THIS STAGE once Trump gets involved.

My prediction is that we will see a period of miserable 'peace', but that Putin will re-group, re-equip and re-train his military. There will then be another false flag uprising by Russian Minorities somewhere else - perhaps in the Baltic and he will also be back for the rest of Ukraine. He will not stop unless the price is impossible for him to take the risk. This is not a fad with him that he will tire of. This is his existential for him, and while he exists there will be no real let up . Even if he were dead, he is surrounded by courtiers who subscribe to the same mind set.

 

[Ghost1951]

Now you are being very silly, that was after the war started so in what way was that peace under Russian control? If you think the Ukrainians are any better than the Russians in these respects, you are blind to what happened in the closing stages of WW2. The Ukrainians are Russians in all respects that matter, universally recognised post WW2 as the two most corrupt nations on earth.

After the iron curtain fell Ukraine had peace, and like all the Warsaw Pact countries were given the option of being independent, but like a few others chose to stay aligned to Russia so had a Russian biased government. They freely traded with the world but faced one restriction due to Russia, they could not join NATO.

And that is where your thinking is wrong in saying NATO would never attack Russia. This is not about being rational, as you rightly admitted, this is all about emotion, wars always are. It only matters that Russia sees NATO as their deadly enemy and therefore cannot and will not peacefully tolerate it being so close. That wish should be respected by everyone, especially by their closest neighbours like Georgia and Ukraine.

Ukraine only had to agree not to fall for the USA's bribery to join NATO to enjoy independence and peace with none of your imaginary threats of bullying. Bullying by waging wars where they have no business to be is what the USA does, helped by Britain, continuously from Korea in the 1950s through to the Middle East and North Africa today.
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This is Jeremy Corbyn speak.

 

[Ghost1951]

Hitler's army were at the doors of Moscow and still didn't win. NATO troops occupied Afghanistan for years and didn't win. Superior fire power is not enough. 3 years after the war in Ukraine started, how much territory did Russians occupy? At this rate, the war could drag on until the next u.s. presidential election.

Not without massive support in war materials. Trump won't do that. Europe won't fill the gap.

 

[flecc]

@flecc You said look at Georgia. Who controls the media? Who won the last election? Georgia and Moldova are about to fall back into Putin's control.

Nonsense, there is no Putin control, other than being a good neighbour by not joining NATO.

In 2008 Russia had Georgia totally beaten and controlled, but Putin still only demanded they didn't join NATO. On President Saakashvili agreeing that, Putin ordered the withdrawal of Russian forces and all were out within six weeks. Saakashvili eventually reneged on that agreement and as a result is now serving six years in prison for abuse of power, sentenced by Georgia, not Russia.

Ukraine's position before the war started was identical to Georgia's when Putin withdrew all troops, all they had to do was agree not to join NATO. Had Zelensky agreed, there would have been no war, no carnage. But he was as I said, and still is, an idiot. He proved that himself by being defiant, thus provoking the start of the war, but within a week admitting in a speech broadcast on the news here, "we may have have to agree not to join NATO".

I don't swallow US and ChathamHouse propaganda. Today half the world representing half the world's 8 billion stand with Russia, the other half standing with the US dominated West. That balance of two evils is fine with me.
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[flecc]

This is Jeremy Corbyn speak.

Agreed, common sense.
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[Ghost1951]

Agreed, common sense.
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Yeah - the United States and all that horrible democracy is much more threatening.....

Are you in fact Ken Livingston? He was of the same stamp - a Londoner and maybe of the right age. I remember him being destroyed by Andrew Neil once on TV when he was being an apologist for Castro and Chavez.... That't my memory of it. I will look it up later. As I recall, in the end, Mad Ken ended up pleading that he was an old man.

If I can find a video of it I will post it below.

 

[flecc]

Hitler's army were at the doors of Moscow and still didn't win. NATO troops occupied Afghanistan for years and didn't win. Superior fire power is not enough. 3 years after the war in Ukraine started, how much territory did Russians occupy? At this rate, the war could drag on until the next u.s. presidential election.

You are forgetting, Putin and Russia do not want to possess Ukraine and still don't. That ambition is only the USA's propaganda fantasy. Russia, as it proved with Georgia, only wants the closest countries to be a neutral buffer, just good neighbours.

If Russia retains the Azov and Black Sea coastlines, as they will after agreement for peace, they have de facto won the war, since that is only what they ever wanted.
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[flecc]

Yeah - the United States and all that horrible democracy is much more threatening.....

Are you in fact Ken Livingston? He was of the same stamp - a Londoner and maybe of the right age. I remember him being destroyed by Andrew Neil once on TV when he was being an apologist for Castro and Chavez.... That't my memory of it. I will look it up later. As I recall, in the end, Mad Ken ended up pleading that he was an old man.

If I can find a video of it I will post it below.

Don't bother I'm fully aware of it but see it very differently. Ken was one of the best and most effective politicians we ever produced, which is why we repeatedly elected him.

Was Andrew Neil ever elected? No, he was a right wing newspaper journalist.
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[Ghost1951]

Go to 2:35



Ha ha ha - - - 'All I have got is the information given me by the Venezuelan Ambassador.'

 

[flecc]

Go to 2:35



Ha ha ha - - - 'All I have got is the information given me by the Venezuelan Ambassador.'

Saw it originally, but as I said, I see all aspects of this very differently from your right wing pro American view.
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[saneagle]

Hitler's army were at the doors of Moscow and still didn't win. NATO troops occupied Afghanistan for years and didn't win. Superior fire power is not enough. 3 years after the war in Ukraine started, how much territory did Russians occupy? At this rate, the war could drag on until the next u.s. presidential election.

Watch this channel if you want to know what's going on in the Russia-Ukraine war:

 

[flecc]

Yeah - the United States and all that horrible democracy is much more threatening.....

Democracy? The USA?

Only if one agrees with the the US view, as US and British actions showed in Iran in 1948, something you have posted about.

Since WW2 it's the USA and Britain who have been the greatest threat to democracy with their wars and interference disrupting the stable lives of so many, not threats from Russia or China.
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[MikelBikel]

Interesting philosophical / psychological take comparing rural with urban attitudes.

 

[Woosh]

You are forgetting, Putin and Russia do not want to possess Ukraine and still don't. That ambition is only the USA's propaganda fantasy. Russia, as it proved with Georgia, only wants the closest countries to be a neutral buffer, just good neighbours.

If Russia retains the Azov and Black Sea coastlines, as they will after agreement for peace, they have de facto won the war, since that is only what they ever wanted.
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They have got pretty much what they wanted a few months after the war started and the war still continues for 3 years now. Explain why they attack civilian targets hundreds of miles away from the front line. Is it not regime change?

 

[flecc]

They have got pretty much what they wanted a few months after the war started and the war still continues for 3 years now. Explain why they attack civilian targets hundreds of miles away from the front line. Is it not regime change?

It continues because they still haven't got the security assurance that Ukraine will not join NATO and that the USA and NATO will stop interfering in Russia's business.

Once there is a ceasefire on agreed terms, Russia will instantly stop the attack and will help with the rebuild as they did in the South Ossetia region of Georgia after the 2008 war. That's not consistent with yours and the western fantasy that Putin wants to rebuild the Russian empire of the USSR. He's not an idiot and does not. He very much regrets the loss of the USSR but knows, albeit angrily, that it can never be restored. He accepts that, simply wanting neighbours who are not a part of the perceived western threat.

He could have been given those assurances decades ago and still could, at no cost whatsoever to the west, but for the USA and it's phobic hatred of communism. Communism which is a human right for any nation, no matter if considered undesirable by others.
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[Woosh]

I don't buy your argument. I believe Putin wants to annex Ukraine.

 

[soundwave]

if he wanted to ukrain would be wiped of the face of the earth all the west has done since the berlin wall fell is put nato country's right up to there boarder for the last 30 years.

the last war the usa one was ww2 and only that's because the Russians helped and cost them the most ppl.