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This was the direction the Labour Party manifesto under Jeremy Corbyn was trying to take us !
Indeed, and my postings at the time were almost alone in supporting Corbyn and critical of how blind his critics were.
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Funny how it's always 10 years away.
Seem to remember Tomorrow's World saying the same back in the 70's... :cool:
In a country where people don't walk unless they are dirt poor immigrants, that project was well ahead of its time because most of their cars weren't and still aren't electric. That was the simple reason. I take it that you watched the video, the guy said nearly as much, they have got the university, 1000 businesses out of 1500 so it's nearly there. It's the town transport that is not good enough. BTW, that solar farm needs replacing. China installed 200 GW solar last year. 96% of new installations are renewables. Where they are, the sun and wind are constant features. They can easily afford a few GW.
 
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it's like a train stuck on a line. You have to get people out of the train and get them to walk the line until they can join a road. You can then tow the dead train.
There is no other way to reverse the decline than reducing the queue of people waiting for treatment then you can start on a new path.
That needs a lot of money and good people wanting to work for the NHS. ATM, most consultants and senior nurses do some private work. That puts a lot of pressure on the NHS paying them even more money.
If you were a consultant in the NHS, the fewer hours you work on your NHS contract, the more you get paid NHS overtime and the more patients/customers willing to pay you directly.
"Walk into the (nhs bldg) and anyone who's job you can't understand, sack them" . There fify :p
 

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The role of civil servants is typically to ensure that their political bosses don't break the law and to prepare the facts and figures. I am talking about those who work for central government in Whitehall.
The graduate fast track system is very selective. Only the best will pass the entrance exam. They then work 4 years at more or less at minimum wage to train for a career in the civil service. Only after that, they can start climbing the ladder.
Clarkson went to private schools. What does he know about the work of those he criticises?
 

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Some more info on this

Don't really think people should take notice of an "outlet" that uses abusive rhetoric like "rabid"?!
Tried searching for the "centre for equitable healthcare" as they call themselves at the bottom of their "lowdownnhs.info" page. And NO results, Zero! no INFO on their Funding, so pay No attention ;)
 

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I was at first surprised to read in your quoted piece that the UK economic inactivity rate had remained similar since the seventies, and then of course I remembered that back then a lot of women stayed at home to look after children and the home. That was then pretty much the norm, especially in the period before that - say the fifties and sixties.

Of course the graph in the piece you quoted shows this when you see the change in the profile of women not in work over that time.

Interestingly, inactivity rates seem to be rising for men since Covid while for women the numbers remain similar to what they were, albeit that more women are economically inactive than men = 25% versus about 17% for men.

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I am hypothesising that these inactivity rates may be greater than those of competitor economies. I don't know this, but it is perhaps worth investigation.

Another possibility is that we have a large black economy - probably larger than nations which are harder on undocumented working such as those in nearby European nations. One of the drivers of cross Channel illegal migration from safe, civilised and richer France, is said to be the ease with which unregistered illegal migrants can slot into the black economy. I have heard French politicians say so - whether it is true, I don't know, but it is a reasonable hypothesis and might be looked at. Wandering a round any UK inner city such as Newcastle with which I am familiar, it is obvious in migrant heavy districts that large amounts of cash trading is going on. Neither is it restricted to migrant people. You can easily negotiate a discount for cash payment with all kinds of workmen.

Low pay offered to workers in forms of employment taken up by migrants may also be a factor in lower GDP. Clearly, if we import hundreds of thousands of migrants happy to work for lower wages than the rest of us, there will be an impact on GDP per capita. That measure is intimately entwined with wage levels. The so called gig economy may be involved.

Thinking as I write this - on the fly - the balance of types of employment has changed significantly over half a century. Large numbers are now employed in low wage service jobs rather than the old more highly paid manufacturing roles that used to characterise our economy. Come to think of it - this must have a massive impact on GDP per capita - probably much more than the other things I have mentioned.

Whatever the cause of apparent lower UK productivity, GDP per capita, and economic activity, it is a serious issue as far as government expenditure is concerned because low paid people are not net tax contributors. This needs to be seriously looked into by the new government.
 

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14 years of rationing then covid has created an 8 million sick people queue. It's now down to starmer to get those with broadest shoulder to pay for the missing spend in those 14 years.
Government Waste, that's where it went missing. And that's where it should be recovered from. Politicians, past, present and those who benefited from the excessively "generous" con-tracts given by gov.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/millions-taxpayers-money-wasted-td-34126587
 

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it's like a train stuck on a line. You have to get people out of the train and get them to walk the line until they can join a road. You can then tow the dead train.
There is no other way to reverse the decline than reducing the queue of people waiting for treatment then you can start on a new path.
That needs a lot of money and good people wanting to work for the NHS. ATM, most consultants and senior nurses do some private work. That puts a lot of pressure on the NHS paying them even more money.
If you were a consultant in the NHS, the fewer hours you work on your NHS contract, the more you get paid NHS overtime and the more patients/customers willing to pay you directly.
How can you do that when doctors went on strike and caused tens of thousands of appointments to be abandoned. They even had the insolence to say they were doing it for the patients!!! Tell that to the old lady with crippling back pain from a slipped disk or the man who can't work because he needs a knee replacement - just examples times tens of thousands of the people who were 'being helped' by those absolute toss ers of young doctors lead by that absolute bas tard Lawrenson, and others who organised multiple strikes last year, blaming a government who was spending more on the NHS than it had EVER had before. It would not matter which kind of government was in power - if the people in these vocations in fact care more about their pay packet than the people they are supposed to help we are on a conveyor to somewhere very bad.

Now believe it or not - GPs are working to rule - whatever that means. I last saw a GP in person on 2nd June 2014. I am glad I don't need them. When I do, I will take myself off to the forest and do myself in.
 

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Strange that it works so well in the Scandinavian countries.
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Because they are Not Really Socialist, just Social-ish. Even better if they were Soci-able :)

Strange that it worked so badly in:
Pol Pot's Cambodia (he was keen on "Zero" too! 2million dead, 25% of the population), https://www.marxists.org/archive/pol-pot/index.htm

Mao's China, estimated 40 to 80 million dead

Stalin's USSocialistR, 20 million dead https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

We don't know the death toll in Cuba, because it's still going on.

South America, has anyone got the stats for there?

Yes, it's all going wonderfully isn't it?
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Because they are Not Really Socialist, just Social-ish. Even better if they were Soci-able :)

Strange that it worked so badly in:
Pol Pot's Cambodia (he was keen on "Zero" too! 2million dead, 25% of the population), https://www.marxists.org/archive/pol-pot/index.htm

Mao's China, estimated 40 to 80 million dead

Stalin's USSocialistR, 20 million dead https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

We don't know the death toll in Cuba, because it's still going on.

South America, has anyone got the stats for there?

Yes, it's all going wonderfully isn't it?
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Anti-communist rhetoric against socialism, the bigoted Americans would be proud of you.

Of course the Scandinavians are socialist, they personify what socialism is, and it is not communism.
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Now believe it or not - GPs are working to rule - whatever that means.
Apparently it means not seeing more than 25 patients a day. Since the recommended time per patient consultation is 5 minutes, that means working for just over 2 hours a day.

It also means not working beyond their contracted hours, whatever they are.
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Apparently it means not seeing more than 25 patients a day. Since the recommended time per patient consultation is 5 minutes, that means working for just over 2 hours a day.

It also means not working beyond their contracted hours, whatever they are.
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I mentioned before that my partner is / was a GP. She just retired recently.

She started work at 8 am and often did not finish until ten at night. Certainly eight in the evening was quite typical. There was rarely any time during the day when she was not at work. Instead of having a lunch break, she sneaked the odd biscuit from her desk drawer between patients because there was no time for breaks.

I am unsure of how many patients she saw, but the target consultation time was ten minutes. Often they ran over this, because people rarely come in with a succinct description of what they want to say. She said, quite often they would drop the really significant point about how they were as they were about to leave, or almost on the way out of the door. Anyway - the other thing to say is that the work is far more than just seeing patients in surgery.

After morning surgery she would visit housebound people and those who were dying at home. There was a late afternoon surgery, and later a long evening surgery. There are lots of blood results to be gone through, referrals to hospital or interactions with consultants about further treatment after hospital discharge, and also writing of reports and letters to refer patients to hospital for investigation, oh - and prescription checking and reviewing the drugs people were on.

They also have to run the mundane day to day matters of the practice such as paying their staff and managing budgets. It is probable that about 2/3 s of the actual work is seeing patients. The point you make about 2 hours a day is very far from correct.

When I first got to know her, she was also expected to be on call at nights and weekends on a roster like one weekend on one off and similar for some nights. I can remember when I helped out one night by looking after her children, I got a number of calls at her house put through automatically by the surgery phone system, and I had to take the details and refer them on to her. One of them was from a man who was completely drunk - an alcoholic who had been seen that afternoon, but thought it appropriate to call at 10.30 at night complaining that he was an alcoholic. The surgery contracted out the out of hours job to a specialist organisation. I am not surprised. The idea of working an onerous day job which takes up about twelve hours a day and then being called at night and going out to attend people at home is impossible to live with.

She was once held against her will on a late night visit by an unstable man who locked the doors of his house when she came and was reluctant to let her leave. This was a pretty disturbing experience. She was on occasion threatened by people trying to get prescriptions for opiates, when for obvious reasons they were refused.

However - at the time I am talking about, it was generally not at all difficult to get an appointment. Partly - I believe the current difficulties in getting seen in 2023 2024 by your GP is that there have been real recruitment problems. When my partner was working, the practice had massive problems recruiting new GPs when any left. They had 17000 patients and about 7 full time doctors. When a couple left, they could not find anyone else to replace them. The workload at that time was so heavy that it was soul destroying.

It is certainly the case that now many practices are operating a triage system when people ring in for appointments. It is usual that you are asked to describe the matter you want attention for and the person doing the triaging will put the case into certain categories - urgent, non urgent, see the nurse, see the pharmacist etc.
 
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I mentioned before that my partner is / was a GP. She just retired recently.

She started work at 8 am and often did not finish until ten at night. Certainly eight in the evening was quite typical. There was rarely any time during the day when she was not at work. She ate snacks from biscuits in her desk drawer between patients because there were no breaks.

I am unsure of how many patients she saw, but the target consultation time was ten minutes. Often they ran over this, because people rarely come in with a succinct description of what they want to say. She said, quite often they would drop the really significant point about how they were as they were about to leave, or almost on the way out of the door. Anyway - the other thing to say is that the work is far more than just seeing patients. There are lots of blood results to be gone through, referrals to hospital or interactions with consultants about further treatment after hospital discharge, and also writing of reports and letters to refer patients to hospital for investigation. They also have to run the mundane day to day matters of the practice such as paying their staff and managing budgets. It is probable that about 2/3 s of the actual work is seeing patients.

When I first got to know her, she was also expected to be on call at nights and weekends on a roster like one weekend on one off and similar at night.

However - at the time I am talking about, it was generally not at all difficult to get an appointment. Partly - I believe the current difficulties in getting seen in 2023 2024 by your GP is that there have been real recruitment problems. When my partner was working, the practice had massive problems recruiting new GPs when any left. They had 17000 patients and about 7 full time doctors. When a couple left, they could not find anyone else to replace them. The workload at that time was so heavy that it was soul destroying.

It is certainly the case that now many practices are operating a triage system when people ring in for appointments. It is usual that you are asked to describe the matter you want attention for and the person doing the triaging will put the case into certain categories - urgent, non urgent, see the nurse, see the pharmacist etc.
Agreed, and of course I know all this. I was cynically commenting on the work to rule.

Here in London it's the worst of all, not just for GPs but for all medical staff from student nurses to consultants. With our very high cost of living and the severity of housing problems none of them want to work here, especially not the English.

The last English doctor I had here was an elderly alcoholic in the 1960s. A Spanish doctor took over the practice, nice chap with a great sense of humour, but a complete disaster as a doctor. How he survived through to 2018 and retirement to the golf course without getting struck off I'll never understand.

Then it became a group practice with half a dozen Indian doctors, probably Tamils from South India, judging from some of their patronymic names. I saw two of them in 2019 and one this October.
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looks like no one is going to have a job ;)
 

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