Prices of the electricity we use to charge

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Despite huge subsidies. Still go bust, and all their buses now rolling scrap without a supply of parts! And the "leased" batteries?
"Lance corporal Johnson will be your driver today" :)Syntectics boris bus.jpg
 
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Exactly, the different make, model, cause, previous history, names of the drivers, the winner of the football match last week and the price of bread are all as irrelevant to the issue.

Where fire risk is concerned, only the relevant matters. Are you even aware that some hybrid e-buses use NiMh batteries?
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I don't care whether they use sodium batteries, Ever Readies or organic batteries or battery chickens. The only point is that three London buses burnt in two weeks. It's like you're in denial about that, trying to make some sort of excuses or alternative reality. Why can't you just accept it?
 

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News Flash:
"Eco Incinerator generates Green electricity buring dead Lithium cells. Huge output from scrap batteries." (Humour - Please don't try this at home, etc, etc). :)
That's actually not a bad idea. I think I might patent it. What you do is make the bodywork of electric cars a matrix of peltier cells (thermo electric heat pump), then, when the car starts to burn, the peltier cells will generate power. You carry an extension lead in the boot/frunk, and as soon as you see the smoke, you run the extension lead into the nearest house/building, plug it in and pump the power into the grid to solve the shortfall due to the demand from electric car charging.

I'm going to get a knighthood for this one. When I go see the king to get it, I'll mention that it was your post that sparked the idea. Maybe you'll get a CBE or MBE or something.

Hopefully this post will get the thread back on course because it's about the price of electricity instead of Fantasy Island.

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I don't care whether they use sodium batteries, Ever Readies or organic batteries or battery chickens. The only point is that three London buses burnt in two weeks. It's like you're in denial about that, trying to make some sort of excuses or alternative reality. Why can't you just accept it?
Because it is a false premise and it is you who is in denial. We both know what the problem is, lithium ion batteries in some bus model applications but not present in others.

And it is not three london buses burnt in two weeks, it is three london buses burnt in the period since the last one burnt before them, or four in the period including that from its previous one. In other words the period is meaningless unless constrained by relevant end points.

The real relevance is already clear and accepted, they are causing many more fires than the previous diesel ones and they were far from saints in this respect. So what? We wait to see how the efforts to solve this turn out, just as we did in the first decade of this millennium when pedelecs, laptops and even aircraft were suffering from numerous li-ion fires.

That worked out well, so why not now show the same patience that I am? That is a rhetorical question since I know why not. You are strongly opposed to compulsory EV car introduction so will use anything to try to discredit it, however irrelevant.

That is already a lost battle. Eventually you and other objectors will be like the dinosaurs who keep heritage steam locomotives running.
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You are strongly opposed to compulsory EV car introduction so will use anything to try to discredit it, however irrelevant.
So you're an FMR. Unfortunately, there seems to be a short circuit in your FMR system, because I have nothing against EVs, and have never said that I'm against anything. I just like to have a bit of banter with you zealots.

I seem to remember a previous instance of when your FMR system broke down. You need to get it fixed.
 

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true, but it's the law of small probabilities. It's like throwing two successive sixes.
True, and some people have thrown 6 successive sixes. The thing about statistics is that it's a good tool to expose unusual events and trends so that analysis can be done to get a better understanding about what's going on. If these things are ignored, it might be OK or doom might follow. The worst thing you can do is ignore it.

Think about the UK (and many other countries) excess deaths. The whole idea of keeping and publishing data on deaths should be or was to respond to adverse and unexpected trends. The data clearly show that something unusual is happening for the last two and a half years. It could be that people are dying unnecessarily, and nobody wants to talk about it. This is not what I'd expect.

The same could be said for adverse health events after vaccination. Data has always been kept, published and analysed. After Covid vaccines were introduced, adverse events went to unprecedented highs, but nobody wants to talk about it, and if anybody does, they get shut down. It doesn't add up to me.

And those that think big organisations don't cover things up, look at the present Post Office scandal. Do you think that it's the only time something like that has happened? You'll see the same pattern of behaviour in the other things I mentioned.
 

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True, and some people have thrown 6 successive sixes. The thing about statistics is that it's a good tool to expose unusual events and trends so that analysis can be done to get a better understanding about what's going on. If these things are ignored, it might be OK or doom might follow. The worst thing you can do is ignore it.
I read somewhere that the bus companies are told to pull their electric buses from service for a general check up. So they do something. It could well be that the chargers and the batteries don't work well together.
 

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So you're an FMR. Unfortunately, there seems to be a short circuit in your FMR system, because I have nothing against EVs, and have never said that I'm against anything. I just like to have a bit of banter with you zealots.

I seem to remember a previous instance of when your FMR system broke down. You need to get it fixed.
I haven't the vaguest clue what you are talking about now.
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It could well be that the chargers and the batteries don't work well together.
Probably, or that's what they might say. Whatever it is, it'll be covered up unless they can find some Tommy Robinson supporter, who's also a white supremacist, who secretly set light to them. That's always a possibility, or it could just as easily be Boris Johnson unhappy about something.
 

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I read somewhere that the bus companies are told to pull their electric buses from service for a general check up. So they do something. It could well be that the chargers and the batteries don't work well together.
I think there could well be a connection between this being an exceptionally cold period by London standards and how hard many of London's buses are worked now, since so much 24 hour working was introduced following the corresponding reduction of the N night routes.

Some of them will be almost continuously working or charging 24/7. That is a tough ask for new technology.
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I haven't the vaguest clue what you are talking about now.
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I haven't a clue either. The normal convention is to spell it out in full the first time you introduce an acronym to the conversation.

I already knew a couple of definitions for FMR eg Fair Market Rent & Frequency Modulated Radar but I was unable to decide which of the many dozens of other definitions that @saneagle intended
 
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