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Woosh

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Alas, last time it was supposed to be debated, just about every MP got up and walked out, leaving just Andrew Bridgen to read his script unopposed. Why did they all leave? Surely, the point of parliament is to debate. If he was talking shite, why didn't they debate him and put up their own facts? Who organised them all to leave? You can see that two members of the Green party hadn't had the instruction, so some snake from the Conservative side got up and told them to leave.
the problem is the anti-vax arguments seed reasonable doubt.
If you are pro-vax, even have a good, solid, well above average grounding in scientific methods, which many MPs don't, you will have a very difficult job to unravel which bits in the anti vax arguments are reasonable and which are not, such as normalisation of statistics, RNA replication, protein in lipid shell encapsulation etc.
The anti-vax side does not have to prove anything, doubt is easy to seed in any situation. Just have to say that RNA vaccines are dangerous (plenty of cases of monoclonal treatments that kill the patients) and win the argument.
 
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Compared to ICE, we are still in the early days of battery technology.
The bad smell of burning lithium batteries comes from the chlorine and or fluoride and or boron released from decomposition of their electrolyte.
Soon, we'll use solid state battery which won't have electrolyte so when a battery catches fire, it would not be so bad.
 
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flecc

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Oh dear. I like the way this guy talks, even though he's a bit smug.
Why do you waste so much time listening to these anti-ev twerps whe love the sound of their own voices so much that they repeat themselved endlessly.

Why has he never spoken out about the number of London's diesel buses that have gone up in flames over many years, shown in the photos that I've linked to previously? And of course these atacks are also political and often blatantly racist against our Mayor Sadiq Khan

You'll see more photos of these burning diesel buses in this link, above all the current posts about our electric bus fires.

The anti EV brigade are so fanatical that they even completely fake electric bus stories - Information Link.

Eventually it will dawn on them that we are going BEV whether they like it or not. Most of our newer ones in London are coachbuilt here on Chinese BYD chassis, the same buses that are used in their tens of thousands in Chinese cities without going up in flames. Those that have burnt have mostly been the RM2 Hybrids introduced by Boris Johnson against all advice, but they are being phased out early so that will be a reducing problem.

Some of the more recent design electric buses have also caught fire, perhaps to be expected since they are relatively new tech in continuous high stress use, but it's not so extraordinary to those of us familar with the so many of our diesel only buses that have burnt out so catastrophically, as the photos in the above and previous links I've posted show.

We in the pedelec world lived through similar inthe 2000s when Li-ion batteries were first used in our bikes, but progress has almost completely got rid of that problem for us. Now it's the problem of e-scooters and home built e-bikes that are causing bother and that will have to be addressed, but none of this means that lithium batteries are intrinsically bad. It just means we have to learn how to develop them and use them properly.
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Compared to ICE, we are still in the early days of battery technology.
The bad smell of burning lithium batteries comes from the chlorine and or fluoride and or boron released from decomposition of their electrolyte.
Soon, we'll use solid state battery which won't have electrolyte so when a battery catches fire, it would not be so bad.
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"Nissan plans to get a pilot production plant to start producing the first solid-state batteries by 2025, completing the beginning implementation engineering by 2026, and then finally, the vehicle implementation in 2028, according to a recent report in Autocar."
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Compared to ICE, we are still in the early days of battery technology.
The bad smell of burning lithium batteries comes from the chlorine and or fluoride and or boron released from decomposition of their electrolyte.
Soon, we'll use solid state battery which won't have electrolyte so when a battery catches fire, it would not be so bad.
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flecc

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There isn't a problem any more with proprietary pedelecs, their battery problems disappeared nearly 15 years ago. Today's problems are with homebuilds and lashups causing fires.

If these persist the only answer will be to enforce what should always have been happening anyway, testing and approval as an EAPC at a government approved testing station. But to ensure that happens it unfortunately may be necessary to introduce registration and number plates for all pedelecs.
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giant bikes had problems with there batts couple of years ago as faulty chargers bricking them and the first spech bikes were recalled because they caught fire.

most ppl are just stupid just look at some of the posts on here ie why does my voltage sag when pulling 60A with a 200 quid batt from china.

and then they throw it in to the bin :oops:

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'Sixt' dumping them too. Who wants to buy one cheap? Tes Model 3 $17,700, yay, scrap the car & get cheap batteries for bikes & solar backup!
 
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soundwave

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if i go to buy a car how fast will it go b4 the batt is flat

hummm.


best not let me drive it kill it bang :p speed limit is 300mph,need more power :oops:
 

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Do you know what that case Is about? He's accused of overstating the value of his Mar O Lago place as collateral for a loan. The prosecuter valued his billion dollar pad at 19 million. Just one problem: A witness from the bank said that it was the bank that valued it for the loan, not Trump. Not that it matters. They'll find him guilty anyway and try to seize his property. That's one of the reasons that they can't let the election go ahead. If he would win, they're all in dire straits.
 
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Trump has just lost his suit against the New York Times, been ordered to pay half a million dollars legal costs. He will have to deal with E Jean Carroll court case this coming weeks which follows the previous case against her and he lost.
It seems that his way out is for the US supreme court to give him absolute immunity on everything.
 
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