Prices of the electricity we use to charge

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For all you milk float enthusiasts, hehe ;-)
I watched yt video yesterday about the 5km german motorway for trucks with pentagraph. 5 years ago, people were enthusiastic but in the last 5 years, battery prices have come down so much that nobody wants to adopt the scheme. One thing though, the reason is not so much the cost of kwh, electric trucks pay 0.39 euro per kwh, a truck loaded with 20 ton cargo uses about 1kwh per km. The economic case for electric trucks is now firmly made. What they want is 350kw charging points.
I can't see why it's so hard for you to accept that electric transport is the way to go.
 
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rockets use fire power :eek: and electric missiles will never take off :p
 
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I can't see why it's so hard for you to accept that electric transport is the way to go.
A number of things have damaged the image of electric transport, leading to so many people now having such a negative view.

The premature launch of e-cars with ridiculous high prices, low top speeds and pathetically poor ranges, circa 70 miles but even that only in favourable conditions.

Then even before these improved, governments started to announce compulsory changeover dates to electric, seeming to mean all the "petrol heads" would lose their freedom to roam afar and lose so much else of what they love about their i.c. cars.

Bad enough already, but then the concept of e-cars driving themselves appeared, once again policy driven hard by our disliked and mistrusted governments. So even the pleasure of driving perhaps disappearing.

Really, would you market anything in such an appalling way and then expect it to appeal to anyone?

When I early adopted in 2018 it was from a different perspective. I knew how superior the e-car was at the dawn of motoring and that only the batteries back then prevented them from killing i.c. cars at birth. And of course observing how electric drive had become the dominant one of railways everywhere and even many large ships having hybrid drive, nuclear-electric, diesel electric, turbojet-electric.

And my motoring needs were sufficiently limited to be able to ignore the negatives that others saw, while knowing how rapidly battery powered transport would improve.

E-power will dominate all surface transport eventually, despite the clumsy way it's been introduced, meaning many of us won't see it completed in our time.
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All BEV sales "disappointing" after *Subsidies* removed (public money for private profit). BT cabinet charger plan abandoned after just 1! Etc, etc, oh and guy saves his Porsche 911 rather than his Tesla during LA fires. If only we all had the choice, eh? hehe :)
 

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I watched yt video yesterday about the 5km german motorway for trucks with pentagraph. 5 years ago, people were enthusiastic but in the last 5 years, battery prices have come down so much that nobody wants to adopt the scheme. One thing though, the reason is not so much the cost of kwh, electric trucks pay 0.39 euro per kwh, a truck loaded with 20 ton cargo uses about 1kwh per km. The economic case for electric trucks is now firmly made. What they want is 350kw charging points.
I can't see why it's so hard for you to accept that electric transport is the way to go.
You're living in cloud cuckoo land. Where's all this electricity going to come from? We're now permanently under the threat of winter power cuts, and more than a million extra people are coming into the UK every year, each demanding an average of around 200 w, which means 200megawatts extra needed every year without any change to transport demands. It'll be more than 2years before Hinkley C gets up to volume, and we're already 60gw down on what was produced in 2000 - 2006.

You'd already be in serious trouble if guys like me hadn't given up their life savings to save the country by fitting rooftop solar systems.
 
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You're living in cloud cuckoo land. Where's all this electricity going to come from? We're now permanently under the threat of winter power cuts, and more than a million extra people are coming into the UK every year, each demanding an average of around 200 w, which means 200megawatts extra needed every year without any change to transport demands. It'll be more than 2years before Hinkley C gets up to volume, and we're already 60gw down on what was produced in 2000 - 2006.

You'd already be in serious trouble if guys like me hadn't given up their life savings to save the country by fitting rooftop solar systems.

Uk adds about 4%+ every year in electricity from solar and wind under the conservatives. More is expected from labour.
 
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dont matter how much they add if there is no wind or sun there is no power.

all i exported in the last 30 days is 600w.
 

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dont matter how much they add if there is no wind or sun there is no power.

all i exported in the last 30 days is 600w.
The 4% is real capacity, including days that the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow. There is a quiet revolution going on in electric trucks. The operators place their hubs near solar farms from which they can buy cheap electricity directly off grid. The trucks are recharged at between 300kw to 500kw at night using cheap electricity. Each truck has about 800kwh battery, giving them about 500 miles range. These trucks are vastly better than traditional diesel trucks to drive. All the big truck manufacturers are getting on the bandwagon.
 
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and when the batt is dead in 5 years it goes in to the bin esp super charging them to 500kw ?

you cant show me one house that uses all renewable tech and no off grid supply without generators or batts.

income tax pays for the electric anyway and have proved the fact that if on a priority list you dont have to pay it.

a company will rip out smart meters for 300 quid and fit a meter you pay for.

council tax is also a SCAM why do you pay there demands for payment? ask like any company for profit for a invoice to pay there bill , you wont get one.

how many electric milk floats does it take to sell to off set elons rocket launches and all the others round the world and how many bombs and missiles used in Ukraine ect as well.

gas boilers cost 3k heat pumps 10k and cost 5x more to run another thing being forced on us and whats the answer from our retards in charge put the gas price up.

and there's our local power station burning rubbish council wont service solar inverters wont clean the panels 17 of them up my road do not export and they dont give a $hite and 2 have blown the consumer unit off the wall.

my inverter has no ct clamp cos the ppl that fitted it are fkn stupid so bought my own and they got so pissed i cut the cable sent out 3 ppl to put it in a plastic box while m8s house up the road is blowing light bulbs and power sockets off the wall wonder why lol.


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must be cheaper than knocking them down enit :p
 

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and when the batt is dead in 5 years it goes in to the bin esp super charging them to 500kw ?
those electric trucks average about 500kms-600kms a day, in 5 years, they would have done about a million kms to 1.5 million kms. In the mean time, they are more comfortable to drive, accelerate better and cheaper to run than their diesel cousins. Companies like Tesla, CATL, BYD now make 3 million mile batteries (they are prepared to guarantee as much as 3 million miles or 25 years for storage batteries). The only thing that hold them back is the charging network because their batteries can be 10 times bigger in capacity than cars, they need 5 times faster chargers than cars. In a few more years, most of the infrastructure issues will have been sorted.
you cant show me one house that uses all renewable tech and no off grid supply without generators or batts.
Those trucking hubs have both normal grid connection and direct connection to wind or solar farms. They can charge at much lower cost by direct supply at the hub than on the road. They help to solve the grid capacity problem for wind and solar farms. Just think how much they save paying electricity at 10 cents a kilowatt hour instead of 39 cents on the road.
 
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no grid no power and if i export say 1000kw i am only paid for half of that.

In the UK, you are always paid 50% of your generation as export regardless of actual export; so try to use as much of your generation as you can to maximise your earnings.

As of November 2024, solar panel systems installed between April 2010 and July 2012 are currently receiving a rate of 5.07p for every kWh they send to the grid, while solar installations completed from August 2012 to April 2019 are getting 7.14p per kWh.

edf rate for grid power is 28p per kw + standing charge it is all just a scam to make more money and control what you use with smart meters.


wonder how far that got :p


hes scraping the lot of it :eek:
 
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he has just revoked the ev car mandate and will drill for oil and gas its over lol

 
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Let give it a month, reality will set in. Watch oil production level. It's 13 million barrels per day at the moment. See how much it will go up. I'll bet it doesn't. Will US car exports to China go up? I'll bet they won't. His plan for tariffs will hit the ordinary consumers and like the walls he promised to build last time, he will have to back pedal on them.
 
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it will go up because bindo banned it he also signed something banning the sale of lng lol


and how many ppl in china can afford a tesla pmsl

and i dont see many usa made cars over here or in the eu


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How much UK Import Duty and VAT will I have to pay? Non EC Manufactured Cars - 10% import duty and 20% VAT for private and commercial imports. Pick-Up Trucks - classified as a commercial vehicle; 22% import duty and 20% VAT for private and commercial imports.
 
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dump the tub put everything in a box buy a used tub over here and rebuild it :eek:
 

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it will go up because bindo banned it he also signed something banning the sale of lng lol


and how many ppl in china can afford a tesla pmsl
Biden did not ban completely exports of LNG. Trump may want to reverse biden's policy but I bet trump can't do much there either. Just watch reality catching up. About cars,
US companies don't export much cars directly to China because China impose 25% to 47% duty on American cars but they setup factories and made most of their profits selling their cars assembled in China to avoid import duty. Tesla sold 700,000 cars in China last year. Their biggest factory is in shanghai. That now comes to an end. Legacy European and American cars are pulling out of China because Chinese buy evs or hybrids. They are handing over their factories to their Chinese partners and pull out of China because Chinese now buy evs.
 

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well if you bothered to watch what i posted the speaker got bindo to reverse it a week later as he in a different universe close to death as just a Muppet

id not import a car from the usa or the other way round electric is cheap in china because there building 100 coal power stations a week so they can charge them all to catch fire out of warranty :p

not even my 43kg robot from china has no import fee but did get charged for postage tho fkn £7.50 :mad:

you know what it cost to live eat ect in china its nothing like over here cost wise plus you can go down the market and diy the latest iphone ;)

iphone 25 made in the usa rrp 15 grand :D