My best friend** where I live is a copper in the Met, so I just hate all the rest of them.I thoroughly HATE the police in the U.K.
** He joined the police after we first became friends so he's excused.
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My best friend** where I live is a copper in the Met, so I just hate all the rest of them.I thoroughly HATE the police in the U.K.
The route you at Wisper are taking is a conformity route , in that the end user should they be involved in an accident or even spot checked have no obligation to be insured as the bike has been type approved to be exempt. Any possible prosecution of the user as in using an unlicensed motor vehicle is negated.Hi Neal,
We are all scratching our heads a bit.
Why are we (Wisper) going trough all this work (at a loss) when all we need to do is sell a bike without a throttle, then sell a throttle a week later when the bike is second handor indeed supply the throttle and a code to switch it on if the customer requires a full throttle.
Also I’m sure the other company involved would only work within the law, can anyone point out the reg that would confirm this is OK?
Does this rule only apply to non electric donor bikes? Seems silly if that’s the case!
many thanks All the best, David
Thanks sir!The route you at Wisper are taking is a conformity route , in that the end user should they be involved in an accident or even spot checked have no obligation to be insured as the bike has been type approved to be exempt. Any possible prosecution of the user as in using an unlicensed motor vehicle is negated.
It is very different as I see it for bikes that use throttles whether branded or diy without conformity .
You get so called legal ebikes with mid-drive motors with 700w or more motors well above the 250W rating and they are openly sold.
that's good to know what is the restrictions for l1e?Hi Sarge, a couple of points.
Yes it’s a hassle but there’s a list of centres that are qualified to test bikes and issue certification on GOV.UK, in our experience they are happy to do the work, it costs £55.00.
An L1e does not require insurance, road tax, MOT etc. The only cost is testing at £55.00. There may be further costs from the manufacturer such as reprogramming the bike and extending the bike’s warranty to cover full throttle.
All the best, David
Sounds like that was a suron or similar.The DfT and prosecuting entities may interpret the relevant laws differently? A freedom of information request may be required to discover the number and which types of ready made ebikes and conversions are seized, and their owners prosecuted? Otherwise, in trying to determine risk, we're stuck searching the internet for the odd rare article such as this one, which doesn't mention much about the ebike:
Orpington cyclist in possession of drugs commits five traffic offences
An Orpington man has been given a month-long driving ban after he was found riding an electric bike illegally.www.newsshopper.co.uk
from what I've seen its generally 2 groups of people I see getting there stuff confiscatedThe DfT and prosecuting entities may interpret the relevant laws differently? A freedom of information request may be required to discover the number and which types of ready made ebikes and conversions are seized, and their owners prosecuted? Otherwise, in trying to determine risk, we're stuck searching the internet for the odd rare article such as this one, which doesn't mention much about the ebike:
Orpington cyclist in possession of drugs commits five traffic offences
An Orpington man has been given a month-long driving ban after he was found riding an electric bike illegally.www.newsshopper.co.uk
All my BMWs apart from a 96 318is (first car, loved it so much) have been S engined not N )BMW has said it will no longer be supplying police cars a year after forces were instructed not to use patrol cars fitted with the brand’s N57 engine in any high-speed pursuits due to safety concerns.
BMW stops supplying police cars after incidents including A11 blaze
BMW has said it will no longer be supplying police cars a year after forces were instructed not to use patrol cars fitted with N57 engines in…www.edp24.co.uk
well that's where the law is on your sideOne thing I'm still confused about is the 250w limit. Exactly how would they test this?
Although I have no facts to back this up, I'm convinced even my lowly Carrera Vengeance motor would output considerably more than 250W with an appropriate controller etc if pushed. I've got toy aeroplane motors in models as small as 40" wingspan which are rated much higher than that and the Vengeance will easily get my 12st frame up a 1 in 8 hill.
My Cyrusher XF650, which I use for Trail/Gravel riding has an EN 15194:2017 sticker (Vendor fitted) stating continuous output 0.25kw and maximum speed of 25kph. But I know the motor is rated at 1000w peak and the 250w output is configured via the display and the controller wiring, (But derestricting is easy enough if I wanted to).
I've kept mine at the default setting and never installed the throttle as for the type of trips it does range is far more important than speed.
But I'm considering selling the Vengeance which would make the XF650 my main ride around the local streets as well.
So where do I stand if stopped by a policeman who is short of his target for the month?
Thanks in advance
TTFN
John.
He got really lucky everything considered.it was a 1000w diy hub motor that crashed other guy had bafang hd and a canyon with a bad ass dongle.
he had to pay to get it out but at that point it was near scrap anyway bar the hub and controller.