Pedestrian filmed pushing cyclist off her bike

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[jonathan75]

I've just spent a while reading the times comments and they are barbaric. I don't care if one person upsets another, it's not an excuse for assault. It's even less an excuse that someone entirely different (eg a cyclist the day before,or cyclists generally) upset the violent person.

Victim blaming is a revolting activity.

 

[PhilX]

I wonder if he'd have legged it up the road and acted the same if it had been a large gentleman riding the bike?
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[flecc]

I keep preaching it, tolerance is the answer.

Both were guilty of intolerance here and i have no sympathy for either. In a crowded environment it's a certainty that there will be the actions of others occasionally offending. I let these pass without comment or other action since they are just a brief moment in life and of no importance.
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[RobF]

I keep preaching it, tolerance is the answer.

Both were guilty of intolerance here and i have no sympathy for either. In a crowded environment it's a certainty that there will be the actions of others occasionally offending. I let these pass without comment or other action since they are just a brief moment in life and of no importance.
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Or if you do want to upbraid another road user, be prepared to accept, or rather deal with, the possible consequences.

 

[jonathan75]

Or if you do want to upbraid another road user, be prepared to accept, or rather deal with, the possible consequences.

Do you mean prepare to kill them if that is required to defend yourself? I am not sure if this approach really 'scales up ' in the scheme of things. Afaic the only permissible reason to harm someone is to stop them imminently harming someone else. So either you say that your violent "consequences " of rudeness are unacceptable and not to be blamed on the victim, or you prepare for a bloodbath of feuding which only ends when everyone is dead.

 

[VictoryV]

I keep preaching it, tolerance is the answer.

Both were guilty of intolerance here and i have no sympathy for either. In a crowded environment it's a certainty that there will be the actions of others occasionally offending. I let these pass without comment or other action since they are just a brief moment in life and of no importance.
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He has given himself up to the police
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/man-turns-himself-in-after-being-filmed-shoving-cyclist-off-her-bike/ar-BBm6KVC

 

[Fordulike]

Paul Kitson from the CTC, a cycling charity, and a solicitor with law firm Slater and Gordon, told The Guardian that while the video was "shocking" it was not an "isolated incident".

He said: “In my experience as a cycle injury lawyer I have come across examples of cyclists being deliberately pushed off their bikes by passengers from passing cars, motorists attempting to push a cyclist into oncoming traffic and even using their vehicle as a weapon.

When a pedestrian deliberately pushes a cyclist off a bike this is a criminal act. The appropriate offence depends upon the extent of the injury.”

If I were her, I would be milking that aggressive little s**t for every penny of his benefits.

 

[selrahc1992]

I keep preaching it, tolerance is the answer.

Both were guilty of intolerance here and i have no sympathy for either. In a crowded environment it's a certainty that there will be the actions of others occasionally offending. I let these pass without comment or other action since they are just a brief moment in life and of no importance.
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i usually completely disagree with flecc's extremely zen approach, but in this case I felt different - completely ambivalent: of course its criminally wrong to push someone into oncoming traffic (she could have been killed), but how often do we all come close to loosing it, and how often do situations escalate and otherwise non criminal people explode. Now that the dust settles he's the one that's completely screwed (possible criminal record, and all that means for the rest of his life) after a moment of madness, in London in which these moments happen all too regularly in my experience, and often without any consequence.

 

[EddiePJ]

A change, but didn't seem worth starting a thread just for this one clip. A typical cyclist with camera.

 

[RobF]

Do you mean prepare to kill them if that is required to defend yourself? I am not sure if this approach really 'scales up ' in the scheme of things. Afaic the only permissible reason to harm someone is to stop them imminently harming someone else. So either you say that your violent "consequences " of rudeness are unacceptable and not to be blamed on the victim, or you prepare for a bloodbath of feuding which only ends when everyone is dead.

My simple point is that if you tick off a stranger, you cannot be certain how they will react.

At that point, the rights and wrongs are irrelevant.

There is a lot to think about, particularly in the heat of the moment.

But one of the things to assess is: "If this person turns nasty, can I deal with it?"

As a woman cycling alone, I think the lass in the video was unwise to make a rude gesture to, as it turns out, a nasty thug.

Nasty thug was also unwise to push a cyclist over into traffic.

It would be nice to think he checked first that nothing was coming, but I doubt he did.

 

[Fordulike]

A change, but didn't seem worth starting a thread just for this one clip. A typical cyclist with camera.

Funny as hell. Wonder how many people get wound up by this video before the end.

I admittedly replayed the van going past bit and was thinking that he really wasn't that close lol.

These guys should remake Blair Witch

 

[EddiePJ]

I did the same.

I was thinking what the hell is this guy on.

 

[JohnCade]

Funny as hell. Wonder how many people get wound up by this video before the end.

I admittedly replayed the van going past bit and was thinking that he really wasn't that close lol.

These guys should remake Blair Witch

It was pretty obvious right from the overtake that it was a p*ss take. Quite funny though.

BTW when I’m overtaken like that with a lot of room I always give a little wave of acknowledgment.

 

[flecc]

BTW when I’m overtaken like that with a lot of room I always give a little wave of acknowledgment.

Even that can be misunderstood!

Many years ago a driver jumped the lights to turn right as I was setting off across on green to go the same way, so I braked and waved him through first in my usual easy going way.

Stopping at my home a little further on, it turned out he was stopping in an opposite side road. He then ran across and to my amazement he started raving at me aggressively. It eventually transpired he'd thought I waved my fist at him!

Sometimes we really can't win.
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[Deleted member 4366]

You should never wave anybody out or flash them to come out of a side road or anything like that. Not only can it be very dangerous for other road users, it makes you liable.

I've personally witnessed several accidents like that involving cyclists and motorcyclists, particularly cars wanting to turn right off a main road when there's a car waiting to exit the side road and turn right. When waved out, he can't seebicycles and motorbikes or even cars coming up the nearside of the vehicle waving him out.

 

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Or if you do want to upbraid another road user, be prepared to accept, or rather deal with, the possible consequences.



tho will prob see that and run for there life anti road rage device

 

[flecc]

You should never wave anybody out or flash them to come out of a side road or anything like that.

I fully agree and I don't in dangerous circumstances, but have probably brought a misunderstanding from what I posted. The driver concerned was already committed and couldn't have stopped in time even if he wanted to. My wave when braking was just signalling "ok by me".

However, I strongly disagree on letting others out of side roads, since that promotes road safety by encouraging good behaviour. Every experienced driver letting people out in that way knows how often they in turn let someone else out a short distance further on, courteous action resulting from courtesy received.

Of course if you never do that, you wouldn't know.
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[JohnCade]

Even that can be misunderstood!

Many years ago a driver jumped the lights to turn right as I was setting off across on green to go the same way, so I braked and waved him through first in my usual easy going way.

Stopping at my home a little further on, it turned out he was stopping in an opposite side road. He then ran across and to my amazement he started raving at me aggressively. It eventually transpired he'd thought I waved my fist at him!

Sometimes we really can't win.
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A small lift of the front of the hand on the bars like we used to do to greet fellow roadies, or someone riding the same make of motorcycle. Don’t think that could be misunderstood. But lifting your hand to shake the numbness out of it - that could certainly be….

 

[Alan Quay]

A small lift of the front of the hand on the bars like we used to do to greet fellow roadies, or someone riding the same make of motorcycle. Don’t think that could be misunderstood. But lifting your hand to shake the numbness out of it - that could certainly be….

Shake it, shake shake, shake it like a Polaroid pitcher!