One big thick d-lock with a cable or...

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...two big thick d-locks without any cables?

Second option means more weight and expense (security is worth expense I suppose). What would you do?
 

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Frame lock with chain here. Add D lock with cable when I am further afield for the front wheel.
 

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Frame lock with chain here. Add D lock with cable when I am further afield for the front wheel.
Ditto .. except I left my Oxford chain type lock in the pannier on one of those local missions and it was missing the next time I went further afield!!!
 

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What does your Insurance Company say. I have just converted a couple of fold up city bikes to electric and Insurance want GOLD approved locks so we have a D lock each.
 

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...two big thick d-locks without any cables?

Second option means more weight and expense (security is worth expense I suppose). What would you do?
I bought these.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kryptonite-New-York-Lock-3000/dp/B000BS0D4Y

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/kryptonite-kryptoflex-4-foot-cable-bike-lock/?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=5300007882&kpid=5300007882&utm_source=google&utm_term&utm_campaign=UK_PLA_Accessories&utm_medium=base&utm_content=mkwid|swTeAewzj_dm|pcrid|67090840382|pkw||pmt||prd|5300007882uk

My feeling is the bike and extras cost around £1500 so spending £75 on security is worth it, no point going for cheap locks that might fail to secure.

You get an insurance guarantee for the lock too, just register details online after buying. A couple of reviews, just Google for more.

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/locks/product/review-kryptonite-new-york-standard-09-33987/

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/reviews/bike-locks-racks-storage/kryptonite-new-york-m18-bike-lock

http://road.cc/content/review/12057-kryptonite-new-york-3000-u-lock

The only negative is the lock is heavy, I imagine most good ones are.
 
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. I had reason recently to remove a reasonable secure padlock from a gate. .. one that had a rating of 6 on a scale going up to 9... I had lost the backyard key... Using a 700w 115mm angle grinder fitted with a diamond disk., It took less than 2 seconds..
 
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. I had reason recently to remove a reasonable secure padlock from a gate. .. one that had a rating of 6 on a scale going up to 9... I had lost the backyard key... Using a 700w 115mm angle grinder fitted with a diamond disk., It took less than 2 seconds..
I doubt anyone's going to be using that when you park your bike at the supermarket, too many people around. The lock I provided a link for pays out money if thieves break it, thousands of pounds worth of bike is covered, I think it's probably rated a 9 on the scale you mention.
 

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You'd be surprised how audacious bike thieves can be. There was a spate near where I live where a cordless grinder was used to cut bike locks (or in some cases the railing they're locked to). It's only on for a few seconds so by the time people work out what the noise is, they're already cycling away.

The local Police advised using two locks - one of which a long cable type that can be threaded through the wheel and frame. Anything that make it look like it'll take longer to remove can act as a deterrent.
 

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I doubt anyone's going to be using that when you park your bike at the supermarket, too many people around. The lock I provided a link for pays out money if thieves break it, thousands of pounds worth of bike is covered, I think it's probably rated a 9 on the scale you mention.
... If say 4 youths were to be together adjacent to a bike rack, one hidden by the others produced a cordless angle grinder of comparable power , they would have a bike liberated in a few seconds, the three innocent youths would then saunter off, and the cyclist cycle off . Now there are plenty of conventional bikes even more expensive than ebikes,. . Diamond cutting disks aren't cheap.mine cost about 30 euro, but they are extremely effective., And one would cut a lot of hardened steel links before it's used up. .. mine has already been used on steel beams, granite , copper pipes , bolts etc ..
Hard to counter.
How long before your lock manufacturer goes bankrupt.
 
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It's about risk management. That's why I recommend the roller lock for casual parking. It can defeat the typical tools that the opportunist bike thieves carry around with them, including small to medium bolt croppers. Anything else is overkill against them.

Nothing will protect against an angle grinder or liquid nitrogen but thankfully the chance of the thief having them is not very high.

It would be a different matter if you parked your bike regularly somewhere or for a very long time.

I don't see the point in spending a lot of money to get a nice electric bike and having to spoil your ride by carrying heavy bike locks with you wherever you go.
 

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I use a couple of locks and the only bike I leave locked up for any time is my matt grey uncleaned Norco 700c Q128c, for yobo's and the like it's not a style of bike they would be interested in. Certainly not good at all for their street cred.

Two bikes is best a nice one you ride out on and don't leave any where except home and a cheap or crappy looking bike with a good bit of kit on that no one will hardly glance at. As mentioned above in my post a Q128c is a great bit of kit (quite light,small in size and powerful), know one would ever know except those who read these pages.
 

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It's about risk management. That's why I recommend the roller lock for casual parking. It can defeat the typical tools that the opportunist bike thieves carry around with them, including small to medium bolt croppers. Anything else is overkill against them.

Nothing will protect against an angle grinder or liquid nitrogen but thankfully the chance of the thief having them is not very high.

It would be a different matter if you parked your bike regularly somewhere or for a very long time.

I don't see the point in spending a lot of money to get a nice electric bike and having to spoil your ride by carrying heavy bike locks with you wherever you go.
I agree , life is about acknowledging risks, and doing things anyway.
 

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How long before your lock manufacturer goes bankrupt.
I don't know if you read the links, here is another.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite_lock#Design

This company has been in business a long time, they will not go bankrupt, they are so confident of their lock they provide insurance, I did a lot of research before buying it, it will stop all the usual tools thieves carry, nothing is 100% but read the reviews at Amazon and elsewhere.

Disclaimer: I do not own shares in the company, if I like a product I recommend it, here are ten other locks to mention.

https://wiki.ezvid.com/best-bike-chain-locks
 
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Danidl

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I don't know if you read the links, here is another.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite_lock#Design

This company has been in business a long time, they will not go bankrupt, they are so confident of their lock they provide insurance, I did a lot of research before buying it, it will stop all the usual tools thieves carry, nothing is 100% but read the reviews at Amazon and elsewhere.

Disclaimer: I do not own shares in the company, if I like a product I recommend it, here are ten other locks to mention.

https://wiki.ezvid.com/best-bike-chain-locks
Mal I don't doubt that theyt are a good product, I was looking at some locks today, to replace the lock stolen from my pannier.. ironic!. I do doubt their ability , if made of any steel, irrespective of additives to hold up a diamond bladed grinder for long. The only thing which will , would be ceramic beads embedded in the steel, and even they will eventually fail. Such composites are good against metal hacksaws , but oxyacetylene or diamond will win.
I was frankly shocked at the ease I cut through a hardened steel hasp.
 

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As I said above - if they can't cut the lock, then they can (and do) cut the thing it's locked to. Which is why it's important to lock the frame to a wheel as well as locking the frame to something fixed to the ground.

There was also a trend to cut a gap in cycle parking bars and cover the gap with gaffer tape. Then when someone locks their bike to it, peel off the tape and slide the lock out the gap.

It's all about making it look like it'll take a while to get your bike, or that the bike's not worth nicking, and so easier to have a go at another one instead.
 

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Mal I don't doubt that theyt are a good product, I was looking at some locks today, to replace the lock stolen from my pannier.. ironic!. I do doubt their ability , if made of any steel, irrespective of additives to hold up a diamond bladed grinder for long. The only thing which will , would be ceramic beads embedded in the steel, and even they will eventually fail. Such composites are good against metal hacksaws , but oxyacetylene or diamond will win.
I was frankly shocked at the ease I cut through a hardened steel hasp.
The thing for me is I bought the lock and know I will not use it that much, I intend to use it if I cycle into the next town, here in the Scots Border region we have lots of small towns ten miles and fifteen miles apart so I could cycle into one of the supermarkets, use the lock and be out in ten minutes.

I agree with you, grinders will break it but they will break any lock, it's a matter of trying to put the bike in a visible populated and really busy place which will hopefully add another deterrent, the problem is the youth of today can be very brazen but that's why I liked the insurance this bike lock gave me and it's probably why it isn't as cheap as some of the other locks.
 
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One of those locks is over 14 pounds! That's half the weight of my entire electric bike. How can you carry a 14 pound lock?