Newbie but Oldie
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Hi Nigel,
Thanks for that,as yet I do not have marathon plus tyres,(for later consideration maybe?)so presumably I shall have to get myself a suitable tyre gauge?otherwise will never know what pressures I am using,And as you say,great all of these newbies like me joining the clan?I am posting fairly regularly at the moment because I think it is nice to help other newbies with the info,and with that in mind,heres the lates on my new Ezee Liv delivered only yesterday.to-day was my second run out,and have negotiated many prolonged inclines,and the largest hill in my area,ie Portsdown hill,which surrounds Portsmouth,Hants.used both modes in order to find which suits me best,and almost convinced that throttle and peddle if you want to suits me at the moment.Now that I have run my battery down to discharge for the second time,I assume as suggested by (Flecc) that I should now charge as and when rather than wait for full discharge?or maybe I should run to discharge one more time? I coverd 20 miles this morning on a full charge,average speed with assistance was 16 mph,good ????
At this moment in time very pleased with my Liv.
Best regards,
langtry
Thanks for that,as yet I do not have marathon plus tyres,(for later consideration maybe?)so presumably I shall have to get myself a suitable tyre gauge?otherwise will never know what pressures I am using,And as you say,great all of these newbies like me joining the clan?I am posting fairly regularly at the moment because I think it is nice to help other newbies with the info,and with that in mind,heres the lates on my new Ezee Liv delivered only yesterday.to-day was my second run out,and have negotiated many prolonged inclines,and the largest hill in my area,ie Portsdown hill,which surrounds Portsmouth,Hants.used both modes in order to find which suits me best,and almost convinced that throttle and peddle if you want to suits me at the moment.Now that I have run my battery down to discharge for the second time,I assume as suggested by (Flecc) that I should now charge as and when rather than wait for full discharge?or maybe I should run to discharge one more time? I coverd 20 miles this morning on a full charge,average speed with assistance was 16 mph,good ????
At this moment in time very pleased with my Liv.
Best regards,
langtry
Yes, your battery is now ready for charge every time you use it Langtry, but one more full discharge to make sure won't hurt it.
That is a great average speed, as good as can be expected from the best legal e-bikes around and better than most. Only the odd derestricted or illegal bike betters that to any degree, and many only manage averages of 12 to 13 mph.
You can see now why I was confident that you'd climb Portsdown Hill without any trouble, and you'll still see a bit more improvement in range over the next week or two of use.
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That is a great average speed, as good as can be expected from the best legal e-bikes around and better than most. Only the odd derestricted or illegal bike betters that to any degree, and many only manage averages of 12 to 13 mph.
You can see now why I was confident that you'd climb Portsdown Hill without any trouble, and you'll still see a bit more improvement in range over the next week or two of use.
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Hi Flecc,and as usual thank you for your advice.While here,can I ask more questions on batteries? Probably been coverd before,but scrolling around the forum have not come across this question,unless I missed it? Anyhow,lets get a bit hypathetical?I have a Daughter living some 16/17 miles away from me,and wonder if I took the charger with me and began a top up?rather than a full charge up/would this be harmful to the battery?There must be times when one needs to do a top up,but without the time to spare to hang around for long periods that might be needed to do a full charge.One more question at this time?assuming one has just recharged to full capacity?how long would it be safe to leave the bike unused???Thinking here of maybe very bad weather,and unable to get out for periods of possibly days at a time?
Best regards,
langtry
Best regards,
langtry
That's an easy one, the more top ups the better Langtry, charge at every opportunity is the rule with lithium batteries. I even charge one after a 1.3 mile round trip to local shops. At normal temperatures they like to be at or near full charge as much as possible.
Once charged they can just be left, since Li-ion batteries, unlike most types, lose no charge while standing, even for many months. They continue to lose capacity through age just as much as when used of course, but no charge over and above that proportion dissipates.
The only variation is for very long term storage when out of use. Then to prevent capacity loss through age, they are best at 20 to 40% of charge and refrigerated as close to zero degrees as possible without actually freezing. Not something that would concern e-bikers normally, but my laptop which is only used away from home on rare occasions has it's Li-ion battery polythene bagged in my fridge for most of it's life to keep it like new.
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Once charged they can just be left, since Li-ion batteries, unlike most types, lose no charge while standing, even for many months. They continue to lose capacity through age just as much as when used of course, but no charge over and above that proportion dissipates.
The only variation is for very long term storage when out of use. Then to prevent capacity loss through age, they are best at 20 to 40% of charge and refrigerated as close to zero degrees as possible without actually freezing. Not something that would concern e-bikers normally, but my laptop which is only used away from home on rare occasions has it's Li-ion battery polythene bagged in my fridge for most of it's life to keep it like new.
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Hi Flecc,
Can we please clarify just the one point in my question?I understand what you are saying about topping up as often as possible,but,what I was really anxious to know is,as mentioned,I fi travel about 16 miles,and to make the return I might only have an hour or so before setting off back home,and even with combined throttle and peddling range might be as much as thirty miles,so when I say a top up I really mean just a partial top up,ie not a full charge at all? Just thought this might be in some way harmful to the battery?
Need to get things right at the outset of my E-Biking experience,hence the questions.
Regards,
langtry
Can we please clarify just the one point in my question?I understand what you are saying about topping up as often as possible,but,what I was really anxious to know is,as mentioned,I fi travel about 16 miles,and to make the return I might only have an hour or so before setting off back home,and even with combined throttle and peddling range might be as much as thirty miles,so when I say a top up I really mean just a partial top up,ie not a full charge at all? Just thought this might be in some way harmful to the battery?
Need to get things right at the outset of my E-Biking experience,hence the questions.
Regards,
langtry
Happy to clarify Langtry, the part charge is better than none, and I did one the day before yesterday when I needed a quick turnaround. Basically keep it as full of charge as possible, using whatever method does that.
As I often remark, batteries are chemical devices, and in this instance with Li-ion the charged chemical state is the most stable and long lasting, so that's what to aim for as much as possible.
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As I often remark, batteries are chemical devices, and in this instance with Li-ion the charged chemical state is the most stable and long lasting, so that's what to aim for as much as possible.
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Battery charge
Hi Flecc,
The questions raised in this thread has left me slightly confused as to what topping up and full charge means. Could you clarify for me please.
1) Does topping up the battery constitute a full charge which counts towards the number of battery cycles manufactures state is available? eg..500 charge cycles.
2) Do i have to wait for the green light to appear on the charger when topping up - would this be classed as a full charge?
3) If the red light still appears is it ok to disconnect and use the battery - is this classed as topping up?
Hi Flecc,
The questions raised in this thread has left me slightly confused as to what topping up and full charge means. Could you clarify for me please.
1) Does topping up the battery constitute a full charge which counts towards the number of battery cycles manufactures state is available? eg..500 charge cycles.
2) Do i have to wait for the green light to appear on the charger when topping up - would this be classed as a full charge?
3) If the red light still appears is it ok to disconnect and use the battery - is this classed as topping up?
1) No, it doesn't count as a full charge, and there is no fixed limit on numbers of charges anyway. The sort of indication that manufacturers give like 500 or 800 charges is a just an indication they feel safe with.
2) No need to wait for the green light, just a bit of a charge will help, but if there's time to complete the charge, there's no point in cutting it short.
3) Yes, switch off and disconnect when the red light shows charge not completed if you need to, it doesn't do any harm.
These are some of the reasons that manufacturers like Li-ion batteries, their flexibility, meaning the customer only needs to know one thing after the initial full charges. That's just charge as often as possible and as much as you have time for. In other words, just keep it as full as you can. These are the first rechargeable batteries to make life so simple.
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Another question for Flecc?????
Hi,
In an earlier post,we jointly spoke of the Velo 800 model which I now have,however,puzzled somewhat,need your expert advice?Whereas this model gives mileage,speed,etc etc,I tried to reset it in the hope that the Dist,time and Odo would remain untouched,but no,lost the lot,OK,no big deal at this early stage but would like to be able to reset so that individual trips can be seen.Is there a way of doing this that I must have missed???I have only done 60 miles as of this morning and would have liked to have retained that.
Regards,
langtry
Hi,
In an earlier post,we jointly spoke of the Velo 800 model which I now have,however,puzzled somewhat,need your expert advice?Whereas this model gives mileage,speed,etc etc,I tried to reset it in the hope that the Dist,time and Odo would remain untouched,but no,lost the lot,OK,no big deal at this early stage but would like to be able to reset so that individual trips can be seen.Is there a way of doing this that I must have missed???I have only done 60 miles as of this morning and would have liked to have retained that.
Regards,
langtry
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To reset the trip distance to zero Langtry, make sure it's on the trip distance using the front push button to run through the settings, then hold in the push button for a second or two for it to drop to zero. This doesn't alter any other settings.
N.B. If you need to correct a mistake in a posting, you'll see at the lower right of your posting an icon named "Edit". When you click that it takes you back to your post in draft form. Then you can alter it and click the "Save" button.
If you do that on your original above, you can then use "Edit" on the correcting post below, click the "Delete" button, then click the "Delete" radio button that appears below, and finally click the "Delete this message" button.
Then you'll just be left with a pristine original.
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N.B. If you need to correct a mistake in a posting, you'll see at the lower right of your posting an icon named "Edit". When you click that it takes you back to your post in draft form. Then you can alter it and click the "Save" button.
If you do that on your original above, you can then use "Edit" on the correcting post below, click the "Delete" button, then click the "Delete" radio button that appears below, and finally click the "Delete this message" button.
Then you'll just be left with a pristine original.
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Thanks Flecc,
Please note I have made the correct adjustment to keep things tidy.
Another question if I may? I have been showing off my Ezee Liv to family members,all agree very smart looking bike and well made,and then I was asked a question I could not answer,hence,?
Where or who is the maker of these Ezee range of E-Bikes?I know 50 cycles are the UK stockist,but could find no reference on the site to say who makes them?
Regards,
langtry
Please note I have made the correct adjustment to keep things tidy.
Another question if I may? I have been showing off my Ezee Liv to family members,all agree very smart looking bike and well made,and then I was asked a question I could not answer,hence,?
Where or who is the maker of these Ezee range of E-Bikes?I know 50 cycles are the UK stockist,but could find no reference on the site to say who makes them?
Regards,
langtry
They are made by the eZeebike company Langtry, the manufacture in China of course, the company founded and run by English speakers Wai Won Ching and his son Ken. They are the designers and Ken is European sales manager. Unlike so many others running such companies, they are enthusiasts for their products, visit other countries including the UK at 50cycles and A to B Magazine. I've met them at 50cycles and Wai Won even carried out a repair on my Torq.
EZEE KINETICS TECHNOLOGY CO. LTD
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EZEE KINETICS TECHNOLOGY CO. LTD
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E-Bike Mags????
Hi Flecc,
Thanks for that,all useful info.Now one other thing that I know you will be able to answer easily? I have been searching the shelves in a few newsagents shops looking for a magazine that deals with E-Bikes,I notice you often mention ato b but are there any others,the cycling mags I have seen are mountain bikes and other very ordinary type of bike,(getting a dig in here?)
Regards,
langtry
Hi Flecc,
Thanks for that,all useful info.Now one other thing that I know you will be able to answer easily? I have been searching the shelves in a few newsagents shops looking for a magazine that deals with E-Bikes,I notice you often mention ato b but are there any others,the cycling mags I have seen are mountain bikes and other very ordinary type of bike,(getting a dig in here?)
Regards,
langtry
The only one which has any specialisation in e-bikes is the A to B magazine, Langtry.
Strictly speaking it's an alternative to cars transport magazine, with a bit about UK train services, and lots on both folding and electric bikes, with the odd reference to utility bikes and "green" matters. They have a ten year history of e-bike tests with all the information still available on those. It's a two monthly A5 publication, a year's subscription £13.80:
A to B magazine
Recently the alternative cycling magazine Velovision added electric bikes to it's brief with a group test of three machines, but that's a one off so far, so I can't say what frequency of those there will be. Velovision is a quarterly A4 publication, a year's subscription at £24.
Velovision
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Strictly speaking it's an alternative to cars transport magazine, with a bit about UK train services, and lots on both folding and electric bikes, with the odd reference to utility bikes and "green" matters. They have a ten year history of e-bike tests with all the information still available on those. It's a two monthly A5 publication, a year's subscription £13.80:
A to B magazine
Recently the alternative cycling magazine Velovision added electric bikes to it's brief with a group test of three machines, but that's a one off so far, so I can't say what frequency of those there will be. Velovision is a quarterly A4 publication, a year's subscription at £24.
Velovision
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General obsevations
Greetings again to all,
To-day is day ten of ownership of the fabulous Ezee Liv.Yesteday I clocked up my first one hundred miles,and to-day.as the sun was shining thought I would have a brief ride out.I covered a distance of just eight and a half miles.two of which was on a progessive incline,and during this two miles the yellow light came on for a while,and as I flattened out,it went out and did not come back on again,a further two miles on the flat on the return journey.with no peddling,my velo reading was showing 19 mph for just about the full two miles.Once home put battery on charge and it took two and a half hours to recharge to full.
Now the reason for making this addition to my postings,not wishing to become a known pain in the rear among fellow forum users,but I guess because this is all new to me,felt that maybe my findings at this early stage may be of some small interest to fellow Livers??
There has been an awful lot of discussion on just what a battery can or cannot do,so felt the need to share my experience.
Now to my question? from what I have written here,can someone advise whether or not what has happened to-day is seen as normal?good?or bad performance? I use my bike mainley for pleasure,with the odd visit to family in and around the Hampshire area,some of whom are about fifteen/sixteen miles distant,so suppose best to take charger on these trips? After only eight and a half miles this morning,I have no way of knowing just how much charge is left,hence the info of two and a half hours charge time,does this sound about right?
Regards to all,
langtry
Greetings again to all,
To-day is day ten of ownership of the fabulous Ezee Liv.Yesteday I clocked up my first one hundred miles,and to-day.as the sun was shining thought I would have a brief ride out.I covered a distance of just eight and a half miles.two of which was on a progessive incline,and during this two miles the yellow light came on for a while,and as I flattened out,it went out and did not come back on again,a further two miles on the flat on the return journey.with no peddling,my velo reading was showing 19 mph for just about the full two miles.Once home put battery on charge and it took two and a half hours to recharge to full.
Now the reason for making this addition to my postings,not wishing to become a known pain in the rear among fellow forum users,but I guess because this is all new to me,felt that maybe my findings at this early stage may be of some small interest to fellow Livers??
There has been an awful lot of discussion on just what a battery can or cannot do,so felt the need to share my experience.
Now to my question? from what I have written here,can someone advise whether or not what has happened to-day is seen as normal?good?or bad performance? I use my bike mainley for pleasure,with the odd visit to family in and around the Hampshire area,some of whom are about fifteen/sixteen miles distant,so suppose best to take charger on these trips? After only eight and a half miles this morning,I have no way of knowing just how much charge is left,hence the info of two and a half hours charge time,does this sound about right?
Regards to all,
langtry
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I have found that putting a voltmeter across the battery terminals provides a measure of how much the battery is depleted. This gives the "no-load" voltage, of course, but if that is what you measure everytime one reading can be validly compared with another. My 18.5 volt lithium batteries, for example, show a no-load voltage of 21.0 volts when fully charged, around 18 volts half discharged (when, if I can, I normally recharge them), and 15 volts when fully discharged (which is the safety cut-off point, beyond which further discharge would damage the cells).
Hello Langtry
I received my eZee Liv around the same time as you and like you I am very pleased with my choice. I have done four journeys varying each time between 18 and 21 miles. I have not run it to a fully discharged state, not wanting to be left stranded. By the end of each journey the orange light was on when pedaling, though in fairness it reverted to green if I stopped pedaling. It does apparently get to the stage where the orange light comes on even when the bike is stationary at which stage there is, according to 50 cycles, between 2 and 5 miles remaining. I am not sure I want to put this to the test. Most of my journeys are on relatively flat terrain with the occasional slope. My conclusion is that journeys of 20 miles can be undertaken with a fair amount of confidence. Like you I have found that on one or two occasions that the orange light can come on quite early, say after 8 to 10 miles when on an incline, then seems ok once I'm back on level ground. I also feel that the battery 'recovers' if switched off, even if its only for 5 minutes. On my last bike, NiMH powered, I bought a second battery for £100 which I carried in a custom made case on the rear rack but batteries for the Liv are around £250 which is an even greater financial consideration.
John
I received my eZee Liv around the same time as you and like you I am very pleased with my choice. I have done four journeys varying each time between 18 and 21 miles. I have not run it to a fully discharged state, not wanting to be left stranded. By the end of each journey the orange light was on when pedaling, though in fairness it reverted to green if I stopped pedaling. It does apparently get to the stage where the orange light comes on even when the bike is stationary at which stage there is, according to 50 cycles, between 2 and 5 miles remaining. I am not sure I want to put this to the test. Most of my journeys are on relatively flat terrain with the occasional slope. My conclusion is that journeys of 20 miles can be undertaken with a fair amount of confidence. Like you I have found that on one or two occasions that the orange light can come on quite early, say after 8 to 10 miles when on an incline, then seems ok once I'm back on level ground. I also feel that the battery 'recovers' if switched off, even if its only for 5 minutes. On my last bike, NiMH powered, I bought a second battery for £100 which I carried in a custom made case on the rear rack but batteries for the Liv are around £250 which is an even greater financial consideration.
John
Yes, they do recover 4beeches0. Under high drain as on hill climbing, the chemical interface is called upon to react to produce current faster than it can keep up at times, it's called chemical exhaustion. Resting the battery lets it recover, the longer the rest, the more the recovery.
Another way is to avoid the exhaustion by using lower throttle settings and climb speed.
Yet another for strong cyclists is to increase the personal pedalling effort to reduce the motor load.
Or there can be any combination of those to get the same gain.
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Another way is to avoid the exhaustion by using lower throttle settings and climb speed.
Yet another for strong cyclists is to increase the personal pedalling effort to reduce the motor load.
Or there can be any combination of those to get the same gain.
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