New Electric Bike World Record Set!

[Martin@e-bikeshop]

Full Story Here -
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/news/kidney-patient-sets-electric-bike-world-record/

More pictures on my blog.

Regards
Martin

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

ok... i have to ask? How come a 350w bike is allowed? Surely then its not about the bike its just about how much you're prepared to break the law by?

If we're allowed to use an eBike, can we enter this?

http://www.ktm.com/gb/freeride/freeride-e/highlights.html#.VBsQredqc1g

 

[RobF]

I see "Macina Moto 29 GPS+ 45 - Bosch sClass MTB" appears in the list of bikes KTM is showing at the NEC.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Yes, good spot. We're taking it for a very good reason. To promote the fact we make them, but chose not to sell them because at the moment too many customer are choosing to use this kind of bike illegally on the roads.

Ktm make very powerful Offroad motorbikes that can't be used on the roads or bridal ways but those customers seem to respect the law.

For some reason many Ebike riders think they know better, so we're taking the bike to educate our dealers and the public about the implications of its use in the uk.

 

[EddiePJ]

Yet another meaningless record.

He might just have well have used a Stealth Bomber.

Ref the FREERIDE E-SX. I've watched many a clip of the bike or similar KTM in action on the American MX circuits. It's certainly an impressive bit of kit.

 

[Wander]

Okay shall we let this thread degenerate into yet another mud slinging exercise or maybe show some respect for a seriously ill guy who has done loads for charity (not just this event)?

 

[SRS]

Yes, good spot. We're taking it for a very good reason. To promote the fact we make them, but chose not to sell them because at the moment too many customer are choosing to use this kind of bike illegally on the roads.

Ktm make very powerful Offroad motorbikes that can't be used on the roads or bridal ways but those customers seem to respect the law.

For some reason many Ebike riders think they know better, so we're taking the bike to educate our dealers and the public about the implications of its use in the uk.

Someone please give me a blanket. I feel very very sleepy all of a sudden!

 

[RobF]

so we're taking the bike to educate our dealers and the public about the implications of its use in the uk.

There could be blood on the carpet if your stand is next to 50 Cycles.

 

[Martin@e-bikeshop]

There could be blood on the carpet if your stand is next to 50 Cycles.

Brilliant!

See you all at the NEC!

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

There could be blood on the carpet if your stand is next to 50 Cycles.

are you seriously suggesting 50cycles, are happy to benefiting from an uneducated market, or even actively deceiving people?

and that if us, other brands and BEBA actually promoted the risks and liability of riding illegal bikes on the roads they'd be unhappy??

I couldn't possibly comment... but the debate has to benefit eveyone doesn't it?

and I note that my actual question has been ignored, in an attempt to make this thread about legality again.

I simply asked?

"How come a 350w bike is allowed? Surely then its not about the bike its just about how much you're prepared to break the law by?"

No one has answered this question. So I take it, it will be ok for one of our KTM dealers on the island to borrow our 450w bike, fit a dongle and attempt the record... or is there actually any rules as to what constitutes an eBike?

 

[RobF]

are you seriously suggesting 50cycles, are happy to benefiting from an uneducated market, or even actively deceiving people?

No, I am suggesting your laudable - and entirely altruistic - attempt to realign our moral compasses is unlikely to be well received.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

No, I am suggesting your laudable - and entirely altruistic - attempt to realign our moral compasses is unlikely to be well received.

why??

we're not attempting to realign anyone's moral compasses. Its about realising that the impact of selling thes bikes goes beyond the individual customer or brand, and effects the image and sustainability of eBike industry and market as a whole.

BUT THIS WASN'T THE POINT.

All I want to know is if there are any rules for this "world record" that is being used as a marketing tool? or if its open to anything?

 

[musicbooks]

.. no world record being broken for promised delivery times .. that's for sure

 

[RobF]

All I want to know is if there are any rules for this "world record" that is being used as a marketing tool? or if its open to anything?

Rubbish.

You - and other traders - persist in asking 'questions' on here purely to market their own product/grind their own axe.

You know fine well the 'record' is just a puff for the bike shop who loaned the bike, and we all know fine well your subsequent posts are no more than an attempt to swing the marketing gain in your favour.

The whole thing amounts to naff-all.

Meanwhile, several of your customers appear to be waiting for their KTM bike, which some might say should be higher up your agenda than point scoring on here.

 

[flecc]

I simply asked?

"How come a 350w bike is allowed? Surely then its not about the bike its just about how much you're prepared to break the law by?"

No one has answered this question. So I take it, it will be ok for one of our KTM dealers on the island to borrow our 450w bike, fit a dongle and attempt the record... or is there actually any rules as to what constitutes an eBike?

This isn't about the UK or the EU law though, since the record was set in the Isle of Man which is in neither administration. There the laws are set by The Tynwald, the world's oldest continuously sitting parliament. They allow considerable latitude for road racing events and record attempts.

Guinness Records administration accept a very wide variety of proposed records and in this case have accepted this one.

You could propose a new record on the TT course based on UK legal e-bikes, but there probably wouldn't be much point in circumstances where UK and EU law does not apply.

We have no equivalent road races in Great Britain but in Northern Ireland within the UK legal area they have an equivalent motorcycle road race, the North-West 200, so that would be suitable for a new Guinness record for UK legal e-bikes, or even compatible UK/EU legal e-bikes (pedelecs), since the latter could have greater longevity as a record classification.

It's a wide open opportunity for any enterprising UK e-bike supplier.
.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

.. no world record being broken for promised delivery times .. that's for sure

Contact the shop please. We have stock, but it's not for me to discuss individual orders on here.

 

[Wander]

FFS!

Col if you are serious about your FREERIDE E-SX then feel free to enter it in the IoM TT Zero category. I suspect however you weren't serious & were just having yet another dig.

If we are ever lucky enough to have the Grand Prix come to London PLEEEEEASE don't get involved complaining that Lewis & Jenson are going the wrong way down The Mall or through a red light.

It took about 5 minutes googling to find out that Mat did this as part of an organised event where the police shut off roads & junctions.

To answer your 'question' I found this:-
“I researched and spoke to Guinness World Records and it turns out there isn’t a category for e-bikes on the TT course. But with Guinness it was very hard to agree with them a specific category — they couldn’t understand why it didn’t fit in with the TT Zero category, but that is for electric motorcycles, where they’re lapping at 120mph. The bike I’ll be riding is pedal-assist, it’s hybrid technology.
“So after about 80 emails we got this category agreed with them. I’ll be going for the record for the: ‘Fastest Isle of Man TT mountain course electric bicycle’. Getting that agreed was the hardest bit and everything really fell into place from there!”

Bit more googling shows that 50 cycles / Kalkhoff has helped this guy out in the past & now martin@e-bikeshop / Moustache has done the same.

Couldn't find anywhere where FLI / KTM has sponsored any charity events involving e-bikes. Rather than keep hijacking threads, particularly this one which should be embraced as a good news story about a guy with only 20% kidney function, why not start your own thread telling us all about the charity e-bike events your company has sponsored?

 

[Martin@e-bikeshop]

2nd that!

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

I didn't hijack the thread I asked the question that Flec has now kindly answered, it was my question that was hijacked

 

[wissy]

I am flabbergasted Col that you are still pursuing this agenda vocally on the forum using the KTM official avatar / username. Have you had KTM/ permission to provide your personal opinions in their name of forums? It becomes a fine line to do so in the capacity of an employee. Forums in particular are hostile places for differing opinions so I do wonder whether it is in KTMs interest for you to be spewing this tirade consistently. It comes across now as venomous and petty. IF you do have concerns about illegality of ebikes and donglese etc then post informative information on one thread perhaps (without please having the sneaky attacks on un-named companies) or add such information clearly on KTM UK website / Facebook. Do it properly - consult with KTMs marketing people and I doubt very much they woukd be wanting you to be going hostile so often on public forum? Google ktm pedelec uk and you will come across heaps of threads, unconstructive and controversial ones, whereby KTM (you) come across very negatively to say the least. Not at all a good marketing strategy.

you stated about the 'illegal' bike KTM make and are taking to the show:

To promote the fact we make them, but chose not to sell them because at the moment too many customer are choosing to use this kind of bike illegally on the roads.

balloney. That bike is going there to a. Promote this category bike and dip your toes in the water and b. To attempt some negative marketing of your competition ironically by showing off what KTM would love to sell in UK.

how much pressure is KTM hq putting on you to sell these in UK and would you ever sell them as law stands Col? what if KTM tell you to sell them in UK? Have they? That would put you in a very awkward spot. Hence the comment about personal opinions on a forum.

Why not just ask Martin via pm / email how they got authority etc to use bikes on the route?

Still, a marketing campaign by e-bikeshop that supported a good cause is usually more effective than a negative slating of it by a competitor, as you have done in KTMs guise.

So.. Well done e-bikeshop, Martin and Mat. I will be contributing once I wake up properly. suffering from Norovirus!!! In meantime could you provide the links for payment?

Oh.. And I will aim to do a review for you of my new Haibike Trekking 2015 also. It is beautiful and so much fun to ride!