Need Help To Derestrict Ezee Torq

[flecc]

Further to my last post though, if the Torq draws high amps (current) which reduce battery life when derestricted for 'offroad' use, don't both the F-series which can be derestricted for similar top speed and draw higher current (20A vs 16A for Torq2) and the eZee kit sold in Canada which does 20-22mph, use the same battery? So I don't see why the Torq is apparently being singled out in this way, either with respect to legality or reduced battery life if the same reasons apply to all those bikes/kits?

Stuart.

Yes the F series do, and they've been suffering the hill climb cut-outs very early life, in the earliest weeks indeed.

I don't know the thinking, but I do know that the both F bikes had to revert to the old derestricatable setup. Parts availability are involved. There's also probably an element of hope about batteries getting better.

There is some logic in this though, the lower power Torq geared for 15.5 mph, the higher powered F series for 22 mph. Looked at that way, it makes sense, if the Torq motor is indeed more like the old 250 watt one.
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[coops]

Yes, I see the logic in that - so long as the battery can supply the power the bike requires! In the absence or short supply of NiMH then I guess it is indeed down to hope that batteries will get better!

It will take some getting used to if the Torq is geared for legal speed & hill climbing! If its restricted rather than regeared though, it will be quite similar to a normal restricted Torq, won't it, and the reduction of strain on the battery less great than if regeared instead?

The comment from barneyd that the Torq2 is an excellent hill climber & mentions of improved torque suggest that it may have been regeared, but to me its only subjective right now & not definitive.

Stuart.

 

[flecc]

Ching has said the torque has been improved, then latterly that it's only legal speed, so those together seem to indicate re-gearing lower. Another indicator is that the restrictor connection was left open circuit, i.e. derestricted, pointing again to geared for around 15.5 mph.

The best way to ascertain that as I've said before is whether it cuts dead at 15.5, meaning it's restricted, or whether it's terminal speed is charge dependent.

On the Quando with no restrictor, it runs on the flat to well over 17 mph with a freshly charged battery. Then as the charge declines, that drops back to 16 mph, and eventually to 15 mph.

If the new UK Torq behaves like the Quando in that respect, it's been geared for legality.
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[stokepa31]

i'm too fat to get to 15.5 on motor power alone so cant help

So it appears eZee are not too blame if their email is to be beleived - where does that leave 50 Cycles. Surely the 2 parties must have discussed such a fundamental change to the bike. I'm still amazed that they have not changed their web site to reflect this.

 

[fishingpaul]

I guess wisper will be over the moon,their new se will probably be able to claim, to be the fastest bike available,not the smartest move by ezee.

 

[HarryB]

I'm still amazed that they have not changed their web site to reflect this.

Real electric bikes from 50cycles. New for 2008 season is eZee Torq Trekking electric bicycle - the latest version of the first electric bike race winner.

 

[stokepa31]

I was looking at this page

Real electric bikes from 50cycles. New for 2008 season is eZee Torq Trekking electric bicycle - the latest version of the first electric bike race winner.

 

[HarryB]

I was looking at this page

Real electric bikes from 50cycles. New for 2008 season is eZee Torq Trekking electric bicycle - the latest version of the first electric bike race winner.

Yes this is a problem with the 50 cycles website and has been for a while - I pointed this out earlier, there are two almost identical pages for the Torq. The point is they have updated the specification so their intention is good, but still a cock-up none the less.

 

[frank9755]

I guess wisper will be over the moon,their new se will probably be able to claim, to be the fastest bike available,not the smartest move by ezee.

It's good news for Wisper, but I think that if the F-series bikes do 22mph they will still be comfortably faster than the 905se

 

[Tiberius]

Hi All,

Mine is an older Torq, and it behaves as if it is derestricted. When I examined the wiring though, I could not find the stub that flecc describes. It may be non-standard, or it may be that there have been minor changes throughout the model life. John (Aldby) may be able to shed some light.

Nick

 

[flecc]

The stub is buried behind the rest of the loom usually Nick, just below the battery platform, but there have been a lot of small variations during the Torq's life. I've never received a mention of a missing stub via my Torq site though, so it could be yours is non standard.

Alternatively, the insulation on the stub has varied from time to time, sometimes red, sometimes black, so another variation is that your three stub wires might have been bound as one into one of the loom sections, and so are hidden.
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[WaiWonChing]

eZee Torq speed de-restriction

Hi,

I like to clear an issue here.

1) In a conflict of interest between what customer or the market likes and what is legal. eZee takes the legal way, this is absolutely essential for long term consideration. This is not neccessarily the same for 50cycles, they like just to "sell" that is it. Sometimes we give way to the pressure, but this time I say "no". Specification has been clearly informed and advise. If they don't pay attention and there is nothing I could do with what 50cycles writes on their website.

2) The police would not be monitoring the bike speed, but what is someone got into a serious accident, and an investigation starts from there ?

3) The controllers are the same for the US+Canadian vs EU market. The motors are wound differently for speed and watts.

4) Battery life and amps drawn. As a simplified illustration the old model Torq would draw max. 16 amps at max. torque, the New Torq motor could draw over 20 amps and with a much higher torque delivered, that it operated right up to the maximum limit 20 amps imposed by the controller. The USA+Canada version for 350watts and 250 rpm would accelerate and do higher maximum speed operating at much higher Amps, but in fact lower max torque than the 250 watt because it reach 20 amps with more rpm.

And higher Amps operations would reduce battery life no doubt about it. Why I seem less concerned in USA+Canadian market vs UK ?
The level of competence, sophistication and reasonableness is at a very different level for my distributor in USA+Canada vs UK.

W W Ching

 

[HarryB]

Hi All,

Mine is an older Torq, and it behaves as if it is derestricted. When I examined the wiring though, I could not find the stub that flecc describes. It may be non-standard, or it may be that there have been minor changes throughout the model life. John (Aldby) may be able to shed some light.

Nick

Is your Torq second hand? I remember somebody had a controller replaced (as it had water damage due to going in a pond or similar). They mentioned that the new controller didn't have the ability to be restricted so it maybe yours is similar.

 

[fishingpaul]

sounds like the relationship beetween ezee and 50 cycles,is very strained they should be pulling together,or sales will fall off.

 

[Tiberius]

Is your Torq second hand?

Hi Harry,

Yes, I got it from John (Aldby) on this forum.

Nick

 

[Joe]

if the kalkhoff bikes sell i would think 50 cycles will reduce the ezee range. i wouldnt be that surprised if they didnt stock ezee at all in a years time.

 

[morphix]

Derestriction - Updated info from Onbike

I know this is an old thread discussion and probably relates to older models of the Torq from 2008, but I'm considering purchasing a new Torq and wanted to double check on the de-restriction issue to make sure they can be de-restricted so I e-mailed OnBike Ltd.

Phil Key the M.D. of OnBike has e-mailed me to confirm the latest models of the Ezee Torq can be de-restricted to run at 23mph (20-21mph under load), and he has told me that he has personally tested this before e-mailing me to be sure.

Phil said the motors on the older (2008) Torq's were 200rpm and came de-restricted already and by pulling apart the derestriction connector, the motor would run at a SLOWER speed, probably 150rpm he thinks.

Phil confirms the motors on the latest Torq's come restricted to comply with the UK law, but if the de-restrict connector is pulled apart it will make the motor run at max 250rpm and thus the bike operates at higher speed.

Hope this information is useful to anyone considering a purchase and unsure about this issue.

Paul

Note: I shouldn't need to point out that de-restricting your Ezee Torq will make it illegal to use on a public highway. Phil is not suggesting that customers should do this, however if you want to use the bike for OFF-ROAD use at higher speed, it's possible and legal to do so.

 

[flecc]

Thanks for this latest information from Onbike Paul.

To avoid any misunderstandings, the older Torqs were the Torq 1 models of 2006 and 2007 and just like the latest with the 22 mph capability.

It was the Torq 2 intermediate versions around 2008 to 2009 that had the restrictor that slowed it when derestricted.

For identification, the Torq 1 had rigid forks, while all Torq 2 models have sprung front forks. I'd guess from Paul's information that only the latest Torq 2 models which now have eZee's own motor have the 22 mph capability. Previous Torqs had Suzhou Bafang motors with serial prefix BF.
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[daveezeetorq]

2008 Torq - 350 watt upgrade?

Hi All,
I have a September 2008 Torq - Which came stock with the restrictor plug/circut off - and runs at max 15.5 mph (Or less Hauling my 16 odd stones around!
If I do want to use OFF ROAD and get 20MPH out of it. Does anyone know a way to do this? I am prepared to spend some money if absolutely needed: Questions are:
- Does the motor and gearing effect the speed here? Can I change the planetary gears in the motor?
- Is it the controller that is somehow measuring the motor speed and restricting to 15.5mph.
I notice the bike does not pull as well as my wife's ezee LIV (which is a very powerful bike) Indicated by the fact that the Torq will not cut out an older battery I have - where the Liv causes this to cut out/overload.
As a last resort - I will concider looking at some of the USA components from NYC cycles or similar?
All/Any Ideas would be very welcome/appreciated.
All the best!

 

[flecc]

Get in touch with Onbike Dave, they may be able to supply one of the controllers that will make your SB motor run at the higher speed they used to.

The controller comes complete with quite lot of wiring pre-attached, the positive connection for the switch, the negative to the battery platform, the 8 way multi-wire connection to the motor, the connector to the pedelec sensor and the connector to the meter/throttle/lighting/brake cutout cable harness.

So quite a lot of work to fit and it will be much dearer than a simple controller alone:

Onbike, the electric bike people, eZee agents
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