Need help arranging 13s7p 52v battery pack into battery case I've bought.

Angus Digital

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Hi everyone, I've recently bought a battery case, but i don't know the best way to arrange the cells into the two cell holders that came with it. Is there an app that can arrange them for me or is there someone that has the same or similar cell holder? As the title says, I need a 13s7p, 52v battery pack. Please see the picture. Thank you in advance. Any help I can get would be greatly appreciated.
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for 13s7p, you group them to 6 blocks of 14 (2*7) plus one block of 7.
Same on the underside.
If you are not experienced, don't go there. There are a lot of cells in the pack, if your welding equipment is not up to scratch, and one of the inner welding spots fails, you'll lose the whole pack.

Here is how to arrange the cells to make a battery pack | ELECTRICBIKE.COM
 
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You need knowledge to spot weld parallel and series grouping of cells, tbh if you are asking how to configure such a battery build one is best not to start at all.

As it is you have displayed lack of knowldege or understanding.
13s is 48v yet you have said 52v !!!
52v is 14 in series.
 
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Spend more time researching and understanding battery configurations, have a look on endless sphere battery tech sub forum for some good info.
 
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Angus Digital

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You need knowledge to spot weld parallel and series grouping of cells, tbh if you are asking how to configure such a battery build one is best not to start at all.

As it is you have displayed lack of knowldege or understanding.
13s is 48v yet you have said 52v !!!
52v is 14 in series.
I have a complete knowledge and understanding of the difference between connecting battery cells in parallel, series or a combination of series parallel. And just so you know, I have spot welded many 18650 cells together successfully with nickle strips. I was not asking how to configure a battery, I was asking what was the best way to configure the cells into the cell holder that I had, didn't anyone see the picture I posted with my request for help, that is what I was talking about. Many thanks to those who posted helpful, courteous replies.
By-the-way, this is the way you spell knowledge.
 

Angus Digital

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for 13s7p, you group them to 6 blocks of 14 (2*7) plus one block of 7.
Same on the underside.
If you are not experienced, don't go there. There are a lot of cells in the pack, if your welding equipment is not up to scratch, and one of the inner welding spots fails, you'll lose the whole pack.

Here is how to arrange the cells to make a battery pack | ELECTRICBIKE.COM
Thank you for your reply, I have about six months experience spot welding cells together , which probably isn't very long in the scheme of things, but I am confident enough to 'go there'. I understand that there may be serious implications if 18650 lithium ion cell battery packs are not assembled or treated with care. And I acknowledge your concern when it comes to welding equipment, I have to admit that I did build my spot welder myself but it has worked flawlessly since I adjusted the duty cycle timing.
Spend more time researching and understanding battery configurations, have a look on endless sphere battery tech sub forum for some good info.
Hi, Thanks for your reply. I fully understand the relationship between cells in series and cells in parallel, or a combination of the two. My cell holder is of an irregular shape and I just need to know the best way to create a 13s 7p battery pack with the cell holder I had. (see picture). I was ok with the first few cell groups but things became more awkward towards completing the pack.
 

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Can I ask what kind of welder you used and what welding product you would recommend for a novice?
It wouldn't surprise me if some people considered me a novice, as I've only been building batteries for about 6 months now. The spot welder I used was one I built myself out of microwave oven parts and a few additional components from amazon and ebay.
I really wouldn't know what to recommend for a novice because I've only ever used my own diy spot welder, but there are plenty of commercial ones out there. I would probably start with reviews on youtube first and then take it from there. I just thought it would be more fun to build one myself.
 

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Angus Digital

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My that does look complicated. I don't know whether this large image is in any way helpful.

Thank you so very much for what appears to be the solution to my problem. This is exactly what I've been looking for. I have tried so many different cell combinations myself without being totally satisfied with the layout.
Once again, you have my sincere gratitude and have possibly saved me many more hours of trawling the Internet. Fantastic.
Yes, the home-made spot welder looks a little complicated, but it really isn't. Planning and research is the key I guess. There are lots of examples and variants of what I've built. Especially on Youtube.
 
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you need to be careful with the layout on the other side.
Best draw the groupings with marker pen where you intend to group and post some pictures here for checking.
Even though you are not selling the battery to someone else, it still pays to be extremely careful. Check and check again before committing to weld the cells.
If you have not yet bought the cells, post the link here to model and source. It would help you to have comments from members.
 

Angus Digital

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you need to be careful with the layout on the other side.
Best draw the groupings with marker pen where you intend to group and post some pictures here for checking.
Even though you are not selling the battery to someone else, it still pays to be extremely careful. Check and check again before committing to weld the cells.
If you have not yet bought the cells, post the link here to model and source. It would help you to have comments from members.
Hi, I put together these drawings on my computer to illustrate how I plan to spot weld the cell groups together based on the photo John Jones posted recently on this forum. I would be grateful for your comments. Hopefully I haven't made any mistakes. Any improvements or corrections to my battery pack would be welcome. If all is well then I will put together a graphic for the BMS wiring as well.
As for the 18650's themselves, I have harvested them from brand new never used Makita batteries. I bought ten packs altogether. Each battery pack contained 10 cells each, and each cell measures approximately 3.55 volts according to my multimeter. I haven't charged them as yet. I will post the exact model number of the cells here shortly.
 

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Angus Digital

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small difference in cells even if seem same risky in big battery pack! better to buy all from good supplier made in same factory on same day. start good, big trouble risk when older. good luck.
Your advice is greatly appreciated. The batteries I have were all bought from the same supplier at the same time from Ebay. I cannot guarantee the batteries came from the same factory but they all look identical. The battery packs had good reviews. And the voltages of the cells are within .01v and .02v of a volt of one another. 94 of the 100 cells are exactly the same voltage to two decimal places, I only need 91 for my 13s 7p battery pack. I will be doing a capacity check on twenty of the cells at random with my Imax B6's, one is genuine, the other is a clone. I also will be checking with a ZB2L3 module as well. I have fifteen of those.
 

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Hi, I put together these drawings on my computer to illustrate how I plan to spot weld the cell groups together based on the photo John Jones posted recently on this forum.
I saw that you have now coloured both positive and negative ends of the cells and added the welding strips, it's very clear that you take great care. Congrats.
 

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I saw that you have now coloured both positive and negative ends of the cells and added the welding strips, it's very clear that you take great care. Congrats.
Thank you, I know that 18650's can be extremely volatile if not treated correctly.
These are the battery cells that I currently plan to use in my battery packs. I have two sets:-
VANON 18650 FP20R 200822 3.6V / THG190063090

THISS 18650HR20R 2020. 11. 30 3.6V

As I understand it, these cells should be suitable for my battery packs because they were intended to be used in high current drain power tools.
I know that there is at least one website I visited a couple of months ago that provides ratings and technical information on many, many 18650 cells but I can't remember which site it was and I've emptied my browsing history since then.
Can anyone direct me to a website that I can use to at least give me the expected performance or specification of these two cells?
please check out the pictures as well.
 

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