NEC Cycle Show,24-27 september

[Kudoscycles]

The NEC Cycle Show is on next week,24-27 September....there is a section devoted to e-bikes.....from memory Batribike,Raleigh,Haibike,Reise n Muller,Kalkhoff,Roodog,Kudos,Freego,KTM plus others....Kudos,stand J151 will have the full range of Kudos plus some KTM e-bikes.
It is the best show of e-bikes in the UK.
Perhaps others will add those I have forgotten.
KudosDave

 

[chr4]

Could you please say which models of KTM you will have?

 

[Kudoscycles]

We plan to show the Lycan soft tail,Macina Bold 8,Macina Fun A4 plus one more....but the KTM stand is located only 50 metres away with every bike on display"
KudosDave

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

With 250 bikes in the range, including 50+ eBikes I'm afraid we won't have every bike in the range there.

We have 30+ bikes on our stand, and I think 4 on the test track, and there are a couple of other exhibitors to whom we're lending bikes.

I'll get the full list of bikes up on here tomorrow.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Actually, I think I can remember most. So here goes. Don't hold me to this.

eBikes will be:

Macina Bold
Macina Lycan CX5+
Macina Compact
Macina Force A4
Macina Cross 9
Macina Eight
Ventura Cross 9
Macina Action CX5+
Macina Freeze
Macina Fun 9

Plus a couple of others I can't remember.

Brooks / Fizik, have got an eRace P and two other bikes... that I'm afraid I can't remember.

Will update this tomorrow once I'm in the office.

 

[Rohloffboy]

Might just go to the show, as I am looking for my first Ebike, although I am starting to get a little disaloutioned, I feel in this modern age that the Derailure drive train should be left to the history books.

For Crank Drive Bikes, I am thinking Bosch and Yamaha, Hub Gear should be the way forward, but few bikes seem to come with either Rohloff SpeedHub or Nuvinci 360 Hub.

Ebikes that do come with an Internal Gear Hub, seem to be fitted with the lowest Torque motor in the range, maybe the likes of the Shimano Alfine Hub can't take the strain, but I am amazed that even Bosch specify there Motors Chain or Hub.

I ride a regular bike with Rohloff SpeedHub, and have been doing so since 2004, and I am sure it could cope with the Torque from the latest Bosch CX 75nm 250 watt Motor, it is quite depressing not to see this set up available of the shelf.

It would be nice to see at least an Ebike with the Bosch CX 75nm 250watt Motor, even if using a Derailure, but with a frame that is Hub Gear friendly, so using Sliding Drop-Outs, so that ether a Rohloff or Nuvinci 360 could be retro fitted.

 

[Croxden]

I've done over 7000 miles on my Delite with the performance motor & Rohloff hub.

I must say I have the same thoughts as you regarding derailleur gears, I hate them

 

[Kudoscycles]

Might just go to the show, as I am looking for my first Ebike, although I am starting to get a little disaloutioned, I feel in this modern age that the Derailure drive train should be left to the history books.

For Crank Drive Bikes, I am thinking Bosch and Yamaha, Hub Gear should be the way forward, but few bikes seem to come with either Rohloff SpeedHub or Nuvinci 360 Hub.

Ebikes that do come with an Internal Gear Hub, seem to be fitted with the lowest Torque motor in the range, maybe the likes of the Shimano Alfine Hub can't take the strain, but I am amazed that even Bosch specify there Motors Chain or Hub.

I ride a regular bike with Rohloff SpeedHub, and have been doing so since 2004, and I am sure it could cope with the Torque from the latest Bosch CX 75nm 250 watt Motor, it is quite depressing not to see this set up available of the shelf.

It would be nice to see at least an Ebike with the Bosch CX 75nm 250watt Motor, even if using a Derailure, but with a frame that is Hub Gear friendly, so using Sliding Drop-Outs, so that ether a Rohloff or Nuvinci 360 could be retro fitted.

The discussion about derailleur combined with crank drive systems has been flogged to death on this forum so I won't bore most by going over it again but we will have a Kudos Eiger + derailleur or Kudos Eiger + Nuvinci on our stand,J151...if you can visit I will discuss with you all I know about these combinations.
KudosDave

 

[Rohloffboy]

Well I am new to all this Ebike stuff, just had a look at the Kudos Eiger Nuvinci, but again it's using a Chain Tentioner, how hard is it to come up with a Hub Specific Frame, all that is required is Sliding Drop-Out's I really do despair.

I guess it will be the case for me building my own Ebike with Bosch CX 75nm 250watt Motor and Rohloff SpeedHub.

I built my current Rohloff SpeedHub specific bike, so I know it's easy, all I need is the Bosch CX 75nm 250watt Motor, and a Ebike frame with Sliding Drop-Outs.

All the bits are are out there, so how hard can it be?, it could mean that I have to buy two Ebikes, to reach the end product, it's just a pity that the market can't deliver.

 

[Blew it]

....just had a look at the Kudos Eiger Nuvinci, but again it's using a Chain Tentioner, how hard is it to come up with a Hub Specific Frame, all that is required is Sliding Drop-Out's I really do despair.

The Kudos Eiger has disc brakes, which require vertical drop-outs to ensure correct alignment of the rotor to the caliper when refitting the wheel, hence the chain tensioner.

 

[Rohloffboy]

Oh dear, I have ventured into the world of the ill informed, my Rohloff bike has Disc Brakes, and uses Sliding Drop-Out's for Chain Tension, which is Rohloff's preferred solution compared to using an Eccentric Bottom Bracket, which of course could not be possible with a Crank Drive Ebike.

The Disc Caliper is carried on the Sliding-Drop out, so it's not a problem, in fact the Cube Ebikes that run Bosch Crank Drive and Disc Brakes that have Alfine or Nuvinci Hub, utalise Sliding Drop-Out's so no need for a cumbersome Chain Tensioner.

At the end of the day, using a Chain Tensioner, with a IGH is a compromise, although just about tolerable I would say.

And it may be the route that I go down, if I buy an Ebike with the Bosch 75nm 250watt motor, for use with a Rohloff SpeedHub, although I would be at pains to do so, much preferring to use a frame with Sliding Drop-Out's.

The Ebike industry, really does need to get a grip.

 

[Alan Quay]

Oh dear, I have ventured into the world of the ill informed.....

Nope. You have ventured into what's called 'the wrong thread'. This one's about a cycle show in the West Midlands.

 

[Tomtomato]

All the bits are are out there, so how hard can it be?, it could mean that I have to buy two Ebikes, to reach the end product, it's just a pity that the market can't deliver.

If only all those bike engineers working for the various manufacturers were as bright as you. It's really to wonder how the industry functioned before you took interest.

I am not sure about "Derailure" but many bikes are sold with a derailleur, and it does not seem to be a major issue for most people (probably why manufacturers keep selling them).

 

[trex]

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And it may be the route that I go down, if I buy an Ebike with the Bosch 75nm 250watt motor, for use with a Rohloff SpeedHub, although I would be at pains to do so, much preferring to use a frame with Sliding Drop-Out's.

The Ebike industry, really does need to get a grip.

Your post seems like a good advert for the R&M Delite Rolhoff Mountain biike. AMPS may have it at the show.

about £5,000 each.

http://en.r-m.de/bike/delite-rohloff-mountain/

 

[Rohloffboy]

Apologies for my sledge hammer humour, of course being a rider who only has bicycles that use IGH systems, I am slightly biased and maybe twisted even.

Nice looking bike the R&M Rohloff, but even they look like they don't know what they are doing, as there is no need to use a Chain Tensioner, they just needed to use the correct frame, Full Sus or HardTail it makes no difference.

But I do see it as a shame, that a piece of 21st century technology like the Crank Drive Motor, is paired with a piece of technology from over a century ago, namely the Derailure.

In fact I am also at a wonderment as to why the gearing is not embedded into the Crank Drive Motor itself, no doubt it will be in the next century or two.

Of course I am new to all this Ebike stuff, not even owning one at the moment, maybe there is a reason why all Crank Drive Ebike frames don't come with IGH friendly frames, to allow easy upgrade from Derailure if required.

 

[trex]

@rolhoffboy. You'll upset half of the forum for saying that crank drive motor is 21st century and the other half for mispelling the word derailleur.

 

[Croxden]

Not to mention dongles.

 

[RobF]

The reason the cassette/derailer/chain system has lasted so long is there is nothing as cheap, reliable, easy to to fix, light weight and versatile.

Development of most things is relatively slow.

For example, when batteries were invented they were big and heavy.

More than 200 years later - batteries are still big and heavy, only not quite so big or so heavy.

 

[Rohloffboy]

Croxden, just out of interest which Motor does your R&M Rohloff have, is it the it the 50nm or 60nm model, I guess the 75nm version was not around when you got the bike.

Also what size Rear Sprocket is being used, and is the Motor Sprocket std size, not found out what Bosch use yet, but I guess it's quite small maybe 18T.

Sorry for hi jacking the post folks, but I feel a Rohloff Ebike self build comming on!

 

[Plasmadaddy]

Nope. You have ventured into what a called 'the wrong thread'. This one's about a cycle show in the West Midlands.

Now that's funny!!!