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[lenny]

Essex Police team seize two adapted electric bikes

Two 'adapted electric bikes' seized in Clacton after reports of antisocial behaviour

An Essex Police team have seized two adapted electric bikes in Clacton following several reports of antisocial behaviour.

www.clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk

 

[Only-Me]

Your only risk is whether you get stopped and checked by the police for any reason. They will check whether the motor spins up with the throttle and look at the speed on the LCD. If it goes much over 15mph, you're out and if it spins up to 15.5mph or whatever, technically you're out. If I were a policeman, I'd confiscate on the former and give a warning and take details on the latter, but some policemen will just be following orders or might not be as reasonable as me.

Your three batteries and carrying a passenger are going to bring a higher probability of getting checked.

If I really needed a throttle and wanted to evade detection, I'd connect a simple normally off reed switch between the throttle signal wire and the 5v, and insert it under the grip, then use a pair of gloves with a magnet in one finger. Every time you need the throttle, just move the magnet over the reed switch to get full throttle. Obviously, that wouldn't be much use in a crowded town centre, where people could observe you bike accelerating or riding along without pedalling.

You could even hide the reed switch inside one of those push-button light or double light/horn switches or something like that, since magnetism goes through plastic.

the bike will spin up with the wheel of the floor to 16 mph but on the floor under load it sits at 14 to 15.4 ish thats on the display a c916 i have actually been chatting to police in the last 4 months out and around the north east coast and to be honest they did not seem that concerned(probably because im an old fart) but they do comment on the bikes looks and always say its a nice thing and ask the speed , i reply its quite slow 15 mph and wouldnt pull the skin of a custard never ever have they mentioned my throttle and more often interested in my action camera on the bars.
i think to be safe as it does seem things are getting a bit more serious on the throttle side i will have to look for a better method to set away on the bike i would think it may be possible to make a push button setup with a switch to isolate it if i was stopped its a real shame that i have to even think this way but needs must because im not getting any younger also my issues with mobility will get worse with age but im not ready for one of them dam mobility things yet and hope never

 

[saneagle]

Essex Police team seize two adapted electric bikes

Two 'adapted electric bikes' seized in Clacton after reports of antisocial behaviour

An Essex Police team have seized two adapted electric bikes in Clacton following several reports of antisocial behaviour.

www.clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk

The blue one has the battery mounted upside-down. I've seen that before, and I think they do it because the mounting holes are at the top of the battery so they invert it to make them line up with the bottle fixings; however, that will make the battery fill up with water because it can get in through the connector when it's that way up.

Does it have a brake on the front? I can't see one.

 

[Nealh]

We don't condemn those that use a speed control device but just point out the legality and the chance one may get nicked ( but more likely have the bike confiscated) .
In the case of @only me then plod may take a lenient view , however a traffic plod will likely be a different kettle of fish to deal with.
End of the day if one is riding sensibly and at low to moderate speed then one will lkely be okay unless there is a major purge in your area.
The obvious are those that hoon around or ride very fast with no pedal action , it doesn't take much to see someone wizzing along at over 20mph with non moving legs on a moped.

@only me have you tried toe straps or clipless pedals so the better stronger leg can work a little more , once one is under way with a speed control device then only ghost pedalling is needed to give the idea one is pedalling alone .

 

[Only-Me]

Thanks the silly thing is I do ghost pedal alot when underway it’s the getting going and hills I struggle with due to leg weakness perhaps whisper could do a retro fit kit for other bikes that would be great.

 

[Nealh]

Wisper only offer this for bikes they sell , as it is a poduct they know and design.
It is for other brands to step up their game to also offer the same .

Equally if one can get a certificate of confomity one can take any branded EAPC for testing or if a self build conforms to the regs also have it tested .

One can make up or buy labels or self adhesive trophy labels printed with all the relevent details for a bike plate. Motor though must have a 250w engraving of makers label other wise as long as it can't go faster then 15.5mph or more then 48v it will comply.
A bike stand will be needed I beleive.

 

[Only-Me]

Wisper only offer this for bikes they sell , as it is a poduct they know and design.
It is for other brands to step up their game to also offer the same .

Equally if one can get a certificate of confomity one can take any branded EAPC for testing or if a self build conforms to the regs also have it tested .

One can make up or buy labels or self adhesive trophy labels printed with all the relevent details for a bike plate. Motor though must have a 250w engraving of makers label other wise as long as it can't go faster then 15.5mph or more then 48v it will comply.
A bike stand will be needed I beleive.

Thanks my bike is fully legal look up knapp black edition it’s 250watt with 3 x 21Ah batteries 1 is standard under seat pullout which I have a spare also a triangle yose gitted in frame with a hailong on bottle bracket I have a balancer fitted between the 3 but use the one at a time until they on 1 bar then switch of and turn another on only problem is my thumb throttle which I really do need for the reasons said earlier the bike is branded from Holland basically same as barracuda rogue. Everything is stamped and marked by factory 250.

 

[Nealh]

Once you have a V5 certificate (testing fee is approx.£55) , one only needs to hve it tested once as it is a one off test.
It then is a legal LPM250w EAPC a concession only legal in England and Wales and can be treated for use as any other EAPC is , albeit with a legally operated speed control device not exceeding 15.5mph.

 

[sjpt]

It then is a legal LPM250w EAPC a concession only legal in England and Wales and can be treated for use as any other EAPC is ,

Does this mean even the Wisper officially tested throttle bikes are not legal in Scotland?

 

[flecc]

Does this mean even the Wisper officially tested throttle bikes are not legal in Scotland?

No, they are legal in Great Britain. It's only Northern Ireland in the UK that has devolved transport law.
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[sjpt]

No, they are legal in Great Britain. It's only Northern Ireland in the UK that has devolved transport law.

Thanks, I thought that would be it; but I've thought a lot of misfacts in this area (as have quite a lot of others) so thought it worth checking, especially as Nealh's post was so precise.

 

[Only-Me]

Once you have a V5 certificate (testing fee is approx.£55) , one only needs to hve it tested once as it is a one off test.
It then is a legal LPM250w EAPC a concession only legal in England and Wales and can be treated for use as any other EAPC is , albeit with a legally operated speed control device not exceeding 15.5mph.

Thanks so does that mean it’s still ok to ride on cycleways without me having to get it insured as the powers that be revoked my driving licence due to me going blind for 3 months my vision is back now I would say 95% I just get slight issues if dazzled by lights at night so also insurance companies would stick it up me so to speak.

 

[sjpt]

Yes, with that registration and certificate it is classed as an EAPC, which basically allows it to be used almost like a push bike.
The only difference I know of between EAPC and push bike rules is that an EAPC can't legally be ridden by under 14s. (I guess that doesn't apply to you.)

 

[flecc]

Thanks, I thought that would be it; but I've thought a lot of misfacts in this area (as have quite a lot of others) so thought it worth checking, especially as Nealh's post was so precise.

Of course Northern Ireland's minister could pass the same ruling and for all I know might have done so since they usually follow our law. However that might be less than useful since N.I had no approved testing stations the last time I checked.
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[Only-Me]

My bike is basically the same as that so I will look into getting it certified I even had put rubber trims on my mudguards last year as protection to stop edges getting damaged so I’m happy to see that in the video Thanks all

 

[Sonar.sonar]

the bike will spin up with the wheel of the floor to 16 mph but on the floor under load it sits at 14 to 15.4 ish thats on the display a c916 i have actually been chatting to police in the last 4 months out and around the north east coast and to be honest they did not seem that concerned(probably because im an old fart) but they do comment on the bikes looks and always say its a nice thing and ask the speed , i reply its quite slow 15 mph and wouldnt pull the skin of a custard never ever have they mentioned my throttle and more often interested in my action camera on the bars.
i think to be safe as it does seem things are getting a bit more serious on the throttle side i will have to look for a better method to set away on the bike i would think it may be possible to make a push button setup with a switch to isolate it if i was stopped its a real shame that i have to even think this way but needs must because im not getting any younger also my issues with mobility will get worse with age but im not ready for one of them dam mobility things yet and hope never

Snap I am in the same condition also in the northeast and thinking the same with the throttle
acute severe emphysema that’s stage four so peddling or ghost peddling is ok .
but not sure I could just peddle especially pulling away .
this is a freedom thing for me aged 70 .

 

[chris_n]

Snap I am in the same condition also in the northeast and thinking the same with the throttle
acute severe emphysema that’s stage four so peddling or ghost peddling is ok .
but not sure I could just peddle especially pulling away .
this is a freedom thing for me aged 70 .

Not criticising or judging in any way but I often wonder how people who don't have the strength, stability etc to ride a bike normally i.e. without a throttle are going to cope with the reality of riding on roads in real life.
I have worked with disabled people in other environments (skiing) and usually if there is something that compromises their abilities there is something visible to tell everyone around them there is something different going on.
I have seen people with mobility issues riding trikes etc with red flags flying on fairly long poles but this is only on shared footpath/bike lanes where people have plenty of time to react.

 

[Only-Me]

Not criticising or judging in any way but I often wonder how people who don't have the strength, stability etc to ride a bike normally i.e. without a throttle are going to cope with the reality of riding on roads in real life.
I have worked with disabled people in other environments (skiing) and usually if there is something that compromises their abilities there is something visible to tell everyone around them there is something different going on.
I have seen people with mobility issues riding trikes etc with red flags flying on fairly long poles but this is only on shared footpath/bike lanes where people have plenty of time to react.

Well let’s start with me doing rehab for 2 years then 3 years adjusting to life with disabilities then saving for a bike as I had always rode motorbikes/mountain bikes before my strokes then getting courage to venture out to local park when it’s quiet to see if I could use the bike safely which took time too now 3 years later I have 2005 miles on the bike with only one fall of when I first tried to pedal away so I think I did it right before putting myself or others in danger Common sense my friend

 

[Only-Me]

Snap I am in the same condition also in the northeast and thinking the same with the throttle
acute severe emphysema that’s stage four so peddling or ghost peddling is ok .
but not sure I could just peddle especially pulling away .
this is a freedom thing for me aged 70 .

I am going to get my bike certified asap as mine is legal 36 volt 250 just the thumb throttle is the issue so I will be doing when i find out we’re to take the bike in Newcastle

 

[Sonar.sonar]

Mine is emphysema thats a lung problem most people would just sit in a chair and do nothing .
i am stage 4 I do what I can and do not rely on others if possible .

i peddle when I can and throttle when I need a breather .

stability is no problem I used to kayak but never kept up with the others . And knew when it was time to stop kayaking .

riding my bike gets me out to the local beach for fishing a disability scooter would not go across any rough ground .

the beach is only 1 1/4 miles away and only cross a road the rest is waste land and cycle tracks .