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[thelarkbox]

Talking of gaffa tape, none of the brands I've tried in recent years remains stuck to itself or other surfaces for as long as older versions, even the pricier ones... so I imagine these DIY handlebar muffs would have needed gaffa tape re-pressed to restick often. Irritating and unreliable. Takes all the fun out of interrogations.

Not just me then, seems gaffer tape just need the hint of a warm breeze to fall off these days, 'gorilla' brand was the worst performer of late this end, odd how the 'failed' tape seemed to retain a high level of tackiness ?? about the only thing it would remain stuck to was its own adhesive surface tho.

 

[Heinzja]

Here they get confiscated.... in China they get abandoned....
It is to cry....

These images of abandoned dockless share bikes in China are astonishing
https://metro.co.uk/2018/03/24/images-abandoned-dockless-share-bikes-china-astonishing-7413192/







I remember that ebike with Throttle were legal, when they were before 20??... (250w motor/15mph max weight <40kg
then the law did change and only with Sensor were permitted....

In England, the regulations regarding electric bikes (e-bikes) are governed by the **Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010**, which align with European Union regulations. Here’s a breakdown of the key points regarding e-bikes with throttles:



### E-Bike Classification in England:



1. **Legal E-Bikes:**

- **Pedal-Assist E-Bikes:** These are e-bikes that provide assistance only when the rider is pedaling. They must have a maximum power output of 250 watts and should not assist the rider beyond 15.5 mph (25 km/h). These bikes do not require registration, insurance, or a license.



2. **E-Bikes with Throttles:**

- **Throttle-Controlled E-Bikes:** E-bikes that have a throttle and can be powered without pedaling are classified differently. If they have a throttle, they are generally considered **electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPCs)** only if they meet the same power and speed limits as pedal-assist bikes. However, if they exceed these limits or are designed to be used without pedaling, they may be classified as **motor vehicles**.

- **Legal Status:** Throttle-controlled e-bikes that do not comply with the 250-watt limit or can exceed 15.5 mph are not legal for use on public roads unless they are registered as mopeds or motorcycles, which require insurance, registration, and a valid driving license.



### Historical Context:

- There is no specific cutoff year after which e-bikes with throttles became illegal; rather, the regulations have been in place since 2010. E-bikes that were legally sold and used before these regulations were established may still be in use, but they must comply with current laws to be considered legal.



### Current Use:

- If you own an e-bike with a throttle that was purchased before the regulations were established, it may still be legal to use, provided it meets the current legal standards (i.e., 250 watts and not exceeding 15.5 mph). However, if it does not meet these criteria, it may not be legal for use on public roads.

 

[portals]

I have a roll of black super strong Gorilla tape, works pretty well for me.

 

[saneagle]

In England, the regulations regarding electric bikes (e-bikes) are governed by the **Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010**, which align with European Union regulations. Here’s a breakdown of the key points regarding e-bikes with throttles:



### E-Bike Classification in England:



1. **Legal E-Bikes:**

- **Pedal-Assist E-Bikes:** These are e-bikes that provide assistance only when the rider is pedaling. They must have a maximum power output of 250 watts and should not assist the rider beyond 15.5 mph (25 km/h). These bikes do not require registration, insurance, or a license.



2. **E-Bikes with Throttles:**

- **Throttle-Controlled E-Bikes:** E-bikes that have a throttle and can be powered without pedaling are classified differently. If they have a throttle, they are generally considered **electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPCs)** only if they meet the same power and speed limits as pedal-assist bikes. However, if they exceed these limits or are designed to be used without pedaling, they may be classified as **motor vehicles**.

- **Legal Status:** Throttle-controlled e-bikes that do not comply with the 250-watt limit or can exceed 15.5 mph are not legal for use on public roads unless they are registered as mopeds or motorcycles, which require insurance, registration, and a valid driving license.



### Historical Context:

- There is no specific cutoff year after which e-bikes with throttles became illegal; rather, the regulations have been in place since 2010. E-bikes that were legally sold and used before these regulations were established may still be in use, but they must comply with current laws to be considered legal.



### Current Use:

- If you own an e-bike with a throttle that was purchased before the regulations were established, it may still be legal to use, provided it meets the current legal standards (i.e., 250 watts and not exceeding 15.5 mph). However, if it does not meet these criteria, it may not be legal for use on public roads.

Where did you get that from? It's incorrect. These are the actual rules:

EAPC standards and legal requirements

www.gov.uk

 

[Heinzja]

You can find the "Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010" through several official sources. Here are some options:



1. **Legislation.gov.uk:**

- This is the official government website for UK legislation. You can access the regulations directly through this link:

- [Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/404/contents/made)

- This page provides the full text of the regulations, including any amendments.



2. **UK Government Publications:**

- You can also search for government publications related to electric bikes on the UK Government's official website. This may include guidance documents and additional resources:

- [GOV.UK](https://www.gov.uk/)



3. **Department for Transport:**

- The Department for Transport (DfT) may have additional information and guidance regarding electric bikes and their regulations. You can visit their website for more resources:

- [Department for Transport](https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-transport)



4. **Local Authorities:**

- Your local council or authority may also provide information on e-bike regulations and any specific local rules that may apply.

 

[flecc]

You can find the "Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010" through several official sources. Here are some options:



1. **Legislation.gov.uk:**

- This is the official government website for UK legislation. You can access the regulations directly through this link:

- [Electric Bikes (England) Regulations 2010](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/404/contents/made)

- This page provides the full text of the regulations, including any amendments.



2. **UK Government Publications:**

- You can also search for government publications related to electric bikes on the UK Government's official website. This may include guidance documents and additional resources:

- [GOV.UK](https://www.gov.uk/)



3. **Department for Transport:**

- The Department for Transport (DfT) may have additional information and guidance regarding electric bikes and their regulations. You can visit their website for more resources:

- [Department for Transport](https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-transport)



4. **Local Authorities:**

- Your local council or authority may also provide information on e-bike regulations and any specific local rules that may apply.

Nonsense. The link you provide leads to:

The Building (Local Authority Charges) Regulations 2010

(https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/404/contents/made)

You've been given the correct source for EAPC advice by Saneagle above.

If you want to look at some of the amendment detail of the 1983 EAPC regulations, this is one correct link below:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/474/pdfs/uksi_20150474_en.pdf

There's far more, but I don't want to confuse you any more than you've already confused yourself.
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[Heinzja]

My first bike in the year 2000th had both features and was/is legal (I still have it: a “PowaByke Commuter” with a 250W motor and a 36V SLA battery, weighing just under 40kg).

Anyway, illegal bikes are ridden by idiots because, regardless of what happens, the illegal rider is guilty when involved in an accident. That alone can be a “life-changing event” (financially, at least). If someone doesn’t want to pedal, they should buy a Vespa or something similar (I still have a Honda/Vespa lookalike scooter from the 1980s) and a VeloSolex from the 1960s. It’s more fun than riding illegally and cheaper too (self-built illegal e-bike for £1000 or a second-hand scooter for £200). So, I have no compassion for confiscated bikes or for the foolish owners.

An Uber Eats driver who gets £2.50 for one delivery on an illegal e-bike, without any legal protection, and spends all that money on their bike cannot be thinking clearly and should really reconsider their options for earning money.

Anyway there are plenty of links to legal definitions of ebike and everyone will know what’s it about... and kids below 14/15/16 are illegal whatever kind of ebike is used...

 

[saneagle]

My first bike in the year 2000th had both features and was/is legal (I still have it: a “PowaByke Commuter” with a 250W motor and a 36V SLA battery, weighing just under 40kg).
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Anyway, illegal bikes are ridden by idiots because, regardless of what happens, the illegal rider is guilty when involved in an accident. That alone can be a “life-changing event” (financially, at least). If someone doesn’t want to pedal, they should buy a Vespa or something similar (I still have a Honda/Vespa lookalike scooter from the 1980s) and a VeloSolex from the 1960s. It’s more fun than riding illegally and cheaper too (self-built illegal e-bike for £1000 or a second-hand scooter for £200). So, I have no compassion for confiscated bikes or for the foolish owners.

An Uber Eats driver who gets £2.50 for one delivery on an illegal e-bike, without any legal protection, and spends all that money on their bike cannot be thinking clearly and should really reconsider their options for earning money.

Anyway there are plenty of links to legal definitions of ebike and everyone will know what’s it about... and kids below 14/15/16 are illegal whatever kind of ebike is used...

Actually, that bike was rated at 200w, so complied with the regulations at the time. I'm pretty sure that it's still legal with a throttle because of the 200w motor. Bikes with a 250w motor and throttle never complied, though there were some allowances.

 

[lenny]

More than 20 illegal e-scooters seized across Norwich amid crackdown

A police crackdown on people illegally riding e-scooters in Norwich has seen 24 vehicles seized across the city.

www.edp24.co.uk

 

[guerney]

Not just me then, seems gaffer tape just need the hint of a warm breeze to fall off these days, 'gorilla' brand was the worst performer of late this end, odd how the 'failed' tape seemed to retain a high level of tackiness ?? about the only thing it would remain stuck to was its own adhesive surface tho.

I recall the cloth being floppier and the gum layer being thicker. The astronauts of Apollo 13 wouldn't made it back to earth with this new crap.

 

[AndyBike]

An Uber Eats driver who gets £2.50 for one delivery on an illegal e-bike, without any legal protection, and spends all that money on their bike cannot be thinking clearly and should really reconsider their options for earning money.

They have, which is why some of them deliver drugs too

The uber eats guys kept the country fed during the pandemic, so i wouldnt knock them too much.

 

[Hoppy33]

They have, which is why some of them deliver drugs too

The uber eats guys kept the country fed during the pandemic, so i wouldnt knock them too much.

I have great respect for the courier guys and gals who ride their ebikes in all weathers, at all hours. They have my sympathy, too. They barely earn a crust, just so we can have a warm pizza, but they’re victims of the gig economy that has very serious side-effects for all of ebiking.

If e-bike deliveries were to stop right now, we would see an immediate and dramatic reduction to just about everything bad that is happening in ebiking today.

Courier riders are the ones either directly or indirectly responsible for:
- anti-social and dangerous riding through all our city streets and pedestrian areas
- their need for huge batteries is fuelling bike and battery theft
- their lack of funds leads to unsafe DIY conversions
- their need for rapid charging, unattended over-night at high amperage, is causing fatal fires

The crazy thing is, everybody knows this, and multiple laws are being broken all round. We know who and where and why. But seizing and crushing dodgy bikes is not the answer - go to the heart of the problem and crack down on the greedy fast-food empires.

 

[Ghost1951]

I have great respect for the courier guys and gals who ride their ebikes in all weathers, at all hours. They have my sympathy, too. They barely earn a crust, just so we can have a warm pizza, but they’re victims of the gig economy that has very serious side-effects for all of ebiking.

If e-bike deliveries were to stop right now, we would see an immediate and dramatic reduction to just about everything bad that is happening in ebiking today.

Courier riders are the ones either directly or indirectly responsible for:
- anti-social and dangerous riding through all our city streets and pedestrian areas
- their need for huge batteries is fuelling bike and battery theft
- their lack of funds leads to unsafe DIY conversions
- their need for rapid charging, unattended over-night at high amperage, is causing fatal fires

The crazy thing is, everybody knows this, and multiple laws are being broken all round. We know who and where and why. But seizing and crushing dodgy bikes is not the answer - go to the heart of the problem and crack down on the greedy fast-food empires.

So -

• We have exploitative companies paying paltry wages to delivery people
• We have bone idle wastrel consumers who drive that business because they can't be bothered to collect their own stuff.
• We have illegal migrants who supply labour at exploitation wages
• And we have outlaw, scum teenagers riding around up to no good.

The illegal e-bikes are a symptom of other ills, not the cause of them.

I'm not sure why Hoppy33 has sympathy for the people who sign up to this mess. Most of them that I see have come here illegally - leaving France to do it. They came through many safe countries on their way here. The principle driver of their journey is that we allow illegal working here and other Europeans countries come down hard on the employers of such people.

 

[matthewslack]

Climate change would be solved easily if enough individuals did what was needed and under their own control without waiting to be forced to.

Those ebike issues would also go away if enough people stopped using the delivery services!

But as a species and as individuals we are extremely selfish, greedy and competitive, so we do what best suits us in each moment with no thought for the wider consequences.

Those traits I listed are necessary for survival in raw nature. A good civilisation would control them to the degree necessary to serve the common good.

We are not as civilised as we like to think!

 

[saneagle]

So -

• We have exploitative companies paying paltry wages to delivery people
• We have bone idle wastrel consumers who drive that business because they can't be bothered to collect their own stuff.
• We have illegal migrants who supply labour at exploitation wages
• And we have outlaw, scum teenagers riding around up to no good.

The illegal e-bikes are a symptom of other ills, not the cause of them.

I'm not sure why Hoppy33 has sympathy for the people who sign up to this mess. Most of them that I see have come here illegally - leaving France to do it. They came through many safe countries on their way here. The principle driver of their journey is that we allow illegal working here and other Europeans countries come down hard on the employers of such people.

You should have sympathy for them. It's not their fault, you have to blame climate change. They know their countries are doomed and France will burn before UK, which is why they have to come all the way here. It must be very worrying for them waiting on the French coast for a crossing, knowing that the flame of climate change is rapidly approaching to singe their backsides.

 

[Hoppy33]

The point I make is really that some problems are under our noses and easy to fix with the stroke of a Trumpian Sharpie. If only we had the political will to see it. Has nobody in government joined the dots between our crazy couriers, battery/bike thefts and house fires? It’s as obvious as night follows day.

If the price of a warm pizza goes up 50p, I’ll take the hit and maybe delete extra salami.

 

[Ghost1951]

You should have sympathy for them. It's not their fault, you have to blame climate change. They know their countries are doomed and France will burn before UK, which is why they have to come all the way here. It must be very worrying for them waiting on the French coast for a crossing, knowing that the flame of climate change is rapidly approaching to singe their backsides.

I suppose when you put it like that, we should be kinder and make a huge bridge across the Channel, but mostly we should let the French in, as long as they promise to wash more and clean their clothes. At least they are our neighbours and although leathery skinned, they are probably less used to 'the flame of climate change' (TM) than the people who are from the Middle East.

I had actually thought of offering sanctuary to Woosh, but then I discovered that he maintains a bunker in the UK - Southend, I think - so you can understand why he has a bunker. He will probably be alright without my offer.

My greatest worry is that as the 'flame of climate change' (TM) chases more and more people to cooler areas, my traffic free riding and peaceful life at the edge of civilisation up here by Hadrian's Wall will be under threat, and we Northumbrian's will be faced with hordes of displaced southerners.

We may have to set too and rebuild the old wall to keep out singed interlopers.

It is not a great prospect - we will be sandwiched between them and the Scots.

I've read some of their posts on here and I am not filled with confidence.

 

[matthewslack]

A Trumpian Sharpie can only fix problems in a Trumpian world!

 

[Ghost1951]

The point I make is really that some problems are under our noses and easy to fix with the stroke of a Trumpian Sharpie. If only we had the political will to see it. Has nobody in government joined the dots between our crazy couriers, battery/bike thefts and house fires? It’s as obvious as night follows day.

If the price of a warm pizza goes up 50p, I’ll take the hit and maybe delete extra salami.

If you make it yourself, you can have an extremely rich and generous pizza for about £2. Flour, yeast, salt, water, tomato pure, garlic, herbs, massive cheese will cost less than £2 - probably well less and taste far better. Mine are big enough to feed three people with good appetites.

Problem solved.

If you don't want to run the oven for twenty five minutes, you can cook them in a frying pan. Do the first side of the bread base in a hot pan until the bottom of the bread is looking slightly browned, then flip it over and spread the tomato sauce you made from tomato puree, a drop of water, some basil and garlic, when the second side is almost browned, spread copious amounts of hand grated cheese on top in the pan and finish off with a butane plumber's blow lamp. singe until all cheese is fully molten and slightly brown.






I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone how to make bread dough. A huge bag of flour costs not much more than a quid - maybe £1.50.

 

[AndyBike]

If you make it yourself, you can have an extremely rich and generous pizza for about £2. Flour, yeast, salt, water, tomato pure, garlic, herbs, massive cheese will cost less than £2

But you cant buy one pizzas worth of each. So maybe 2 quid, but the initial outlay is 10 times that. And if you eat 10 pizzas, your waistline will suffer

Whats that weird green stuff you have on the plate next to it ?