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Can anyone explain to me what the events in Syria has to do with UK. Why is it that UK had to propose the UN resolution, and not Turkey, Iceland, New Zealand or Zanzibar? Why does UK have to take military action but not the Russians, Pakistan or Libya? I don't get it. What am I missing?
Can anyone explain to me what the events in Syria has to do with UK. Why is it that UK had to propose the UN resolution, and not Turkey, Iceland, New Zealand or Zanzibar? Why does UK have to take military action but not the Russians, Pakistan or Libya? I don't get it. What am I missing?
Its all starting to sound a bit familiar, much like the lead up to the Iraq war when the UN inspectors were inspecting possible WMD sites. We and the Yanks were second guessing the results while preparing for action, whilst lying to Parliament and the British public.
It's quite simply the UK's continuing delusions of grandeur, an inheritance from our days of empire. Too many cannot accept that we are now only just about a first world nation and a minor one at that. As such we should behave no differently than the likes of Italy, Denmark, Sweden etc.
France still suffers a little of the same, not as bad as us, but still enough to be currently engaged in military action in Mali and making pronouncements about Syria.
It's those same delusions of grandeur that make our politicians want Trident missile submarines and two aircraft carriers when other countries our size and larger have no such desires.
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Maybe, thankfully, we Brits just have a stronger sense of what is wrong and what is right and are not afraid to 'stand up and be counted' when the situation dictates......and using chemical weapons on innocent people including children is patently not right......and your own people at that.....
A difficult situation....but....
What else would a civilised country be expected to do .......just stand by and watch even more women and children being massacred in such a cold blooded horrendous way ?
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No other country is thick enough to let in just about every asylum seeker going so the MPs looking at who is living in the area they look after are seeing protests and marches and junk to do with stuff not even in this country. Living in london it is hard to find a day you can't go to parliment square and the surrounding roads to find a few hundered people waving banners about russia/syria/iran/iraq/turkey/africa/ect and that the uk should step in to help somehow. The point that people waving banners about 0 hours contracts or another issue we have in the uk near a middle east goverment building might get them shot at is kinda missed by many.
Just do what we are entitled to do, run our own country. What happens internationally is the business of international organisations like the UN and UNESCO, and the expression of our conscience should take the form of strengthening those, helping them to work better.
One of the largest sectors of manufacturing ( and exporting) in the UK is "defence", possibly second only to the financial sector. The parliamentarians who hold shares in, and hold board positions on the likes of BAE Systems will pave the way to UK involvement, sooner or later, directly or indirectly.
The Arab Gulf States are ruled variously by Shia or Sunni Muslims. Both of whom consider each other to be apostates and blasphemers...the penalty for both "crimes" being death. Even as we discuss the developing situation, envoys from oil-rich Saudi Arabia (Sunni Muslims) will be busy issuing veiled threats of reducing oil production if the West does not do their dirty work for them....annihilating the Shia Muslims, of which, President Assad of Syria is a prominent member.
Whenever we hear calls from Middle East states for "democracy", what we are really witnessing is a call for Western support in ensuring one particular tribe gets the upper hand....look what is happening in Egypt.
Ordinary folks such as ourselves, will say "stay out of it, let them fight it out among themselves". Unfortunately, we live in a world ruled by oil, money and utterly corrupt and morally bankrupt politicians, fairness for all of humanity is not part of their remit.
The Arab Gulf States are ruled variously by Shia or Sunni Muslims. Both of whom consider each other to be apostates and blasphemers...the penalty for both "crimes" being death. Even as we discuss the developing situation, envoys from oil-rich Saudi Arabia (Sunni Muslims) will be busy issuing veiled threats of reducing oil production if the West does not do their dirty work for them....annihilating the Shia Muslims, of which, President Assad of Syria is a prominent member.
Whenever we hear calls from Middle East states for "democracy", what we are really witnessing is a call for Western support in ensuring one particular tribe gets the upper hand....look what is happening in Egypt.
Ordinary folks such as ourselves, will say "stay out of it, let them fight it out among themselves". Unfortunately, we live in a world ruled by oil, money and utterly corrupt and morally bankrupt politicians, fairness for all of humanity is not part of their remit.
I think we are all missing the point. We're British, demmit. We have an innate understanding of what's best for everybody, and the proper way to do things. Now, recently, times have been a little hard, and we have had to loosen our grip on world affairs somewhat, but rest assured we do know what's best, and we will continue to point out to every Johnny Foreigner that they need to do things our way or not at all.
Dem good job we're still on the Security Council - wouldn't be there without those half a dozen nukes and aircraft carriers, even without flying machines!
Now please stand for the National Anthem...
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Dem good job we're still on the Security Council - wouldn't be there without those half a dozen nukes and aircraft carriers, even without flying machines!
Now please stand for the National Anthem...
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Well, exactly. Look at how well it turned out in Rwanda, for example.
Just let them get on with it, I say.
Of coarse you are right, but now days we wait until our President, who ever he maybe, makes his mind up and then we loyally agree, even if we don't and then go forth into the darkness to complete one's mission for Queen, Country, and the special relationship.,
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Having watched Zeitgeist a few times, nothing surprises me.
Anyone who has seen it may probably be thinking what I'm thinking. (shakes head) Surely not?
Surprise, surprise!
A certain aircraft built by Lockheed, equipped with drop-tanks, has just flown quietly over my house. No mistaking that enormous wingspan.
A certain aircraft built by Lockheed, equipped with drop-tanks, has just flown quietly over my house. No mistaking that enormous wingspan.
Can't wait to see Dave leading all the Tory War-mongers into battle on his bike, not daring to look back in case nobody is following ...
An outbreak of common sense?
Incredibly, the governments amended motion was defeated
I would like to think that we (and politicians?) have learnt the lessons from the sexed up propaganda of the Iraq farrago.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23892783
And that doesn't mean I don't care that people are being gassed by their own - it just means that I would like to know for sure who did what to whom before joining the rush to bang heads.
The cynic in me can't help thinking that such noble sentiments didn't play that much of a part in the decision by some MPs to vote against the motion
Incredibly, the governments amended motion was defeated
I would like to think that we (and politicians?) have learnt the lessons from the sexed up propaganda of the Iraq farrago.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23892783And that doesn't mean I don't care that people are being gassed by their own - it just means that I would like to know for sure who did what to whom before joining the rush to bang heads.
The cynic in me can't help thinking that such noble sentiments didn't play that much of a part in the decision by some MPs to vote against the motion
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is a death by gas any more cruel than death by other weapons? People who make moral judgement should also experience reality of war. There are no winners, only losers in the battlefield. Conflicts are usually about land and natural resources and the winners are big businesses. Syria's dividing line between the two warring factions is religious. Take religion out of politics or convert to science (as religion) and we will all live a more peaceful life.Incredibly, the governments amended motion was defeated
And that doesn't mean I don't care that people are being gassed by their own - it just means that I would like to know for sure who did what to whom before joining the rush to bang heads.
The cynic in me can't help thinking that such noble sentiments didn't play that much of a part in the decision by some MPs to vote against the motion
Exactly, all of the Arab Middle East's current disturbances are Sunni versus Shia conflicts.
The daily bombs killing hundreds every month in Iraq are just that, and all because we got rid of the one strong man preventing it, Saddam Hussein.
And our solution to Syria? Get rid of their strong man, Bashar al-Assad.
How clever, if we succeed Syria will be the next place suffering permanent conflict, Iraq style.