Merkybikes M9

[Az.]

Maybe you should all start putting your efforts into taking down the ebike companies and the government for their mistakes instead of nitpicking at people like me for doing everything in their power to follow these asinine laws.

It is true that information on gov web page is incorrect. It is a consequence of general incompetence of previous government in many areas.

It is in your best interest to follow the law, not what is written on gov web page. Restricting power output to 250W would make all e-bikes virtually unusable.

 

[piratepete]

It is in your best interest to follow the law, not what is written on gov web page. Restricting power output to 250W would make all e-bikes virtually unusable.

Exactly this. If you choose to follow the gov page instead you will have to run your 48V controller at a maximum of 5.2A. That definitely won't be fun at parties.

Or you could choose to put around 800W through a 250W rated motor like most of us here and be perfectly legal and safe.

 

[Veganarchy Zetetic]

Nit-picking? -et moi?? - ok guilty but not directed at you the messenger @Veganarchy Zetetic just the message and the propagation of confusion.

I did a wee google for the regs pdf but all i found was locked behind a paywall costing 2-400 euros so tough, while im petty enough to enjoy a 'told ya' im not 200 euros plus petty.
Perhaps @flecc will pop by and drop a link ??

Hey if you got a decade plus of service from the bikes in the pics above - you did well my friend

Fighting ads from off shore or if local posted via vpn to appear offshore is like taking revenge porn off the web.
And if trying to change mobility scooter laws to enforce pedestrian right of way on the pavement which could demonstrably save children's lives ( because some have been killed) fails, lobbying to change untested rules wont float far imho..

I was not replying to you for nitpicking, mainly everybody else. I can't quite understand what your message is tbh.

I have only just bought the bikes from the pictures above I'm affraid so I have had next to no service whatsoever from them so far. The dual power bikes I bought a decade ago were from Cyclotricity and I sent them back instantly because they were such a mess when they arrived. Wrong wheel installed, knocking sounds from the controller box, bits and peices missing all over, chains constantly coming off etc. I then bought some Westhill bikes after that and sadly they were not perfect either. One of the batteries even tried to kill me and my girlfriend in our sleep so that was fun. Now I have these new deathtrap bikes to deal with. Good times!

I only argued that the official government page I read and posted a link to made no mention of the word 'rated' and this still holds true. I also said if the word 'rated' is missing then you best pester the government about it, not me. Also we are not part of Europe anymore so not sure if that matters. Sadly I don't think your 'told ya so' would hold up in court either. If you are still upset about these laws and me being an evil scourge on society. I will give myself up to the police today. Another hardened criminal off the streets. You are all safe now don't worry

 

[Veganarchy Zetetic]

It is true that information on gov web page is incorrect. It is a consequence of general incompetence of previous government in many areas.

It is in your best interest to follow the law, not what is written on gov web page. Restricting power output to 250W would make all e-bikes virtually unusable.

I highly doubt many ebikes are actually running at 250W anyway regardless of what the sticker states on the motor. Most of them imo are already illegal by your standards so it's a good job you lot are the only ones who care so much or all of our bikes would be impounded I guess.

 

[Veganarchy Zetetic]

Exactly this. If you choose to follow the gov page instead you will have to run your 48V controller at a maximum of 5.2A. That definitely won't be fun at parties.

Or you could choose to put around 800W through a 250W rated motor like most of us here and be perfectly legal and safe.

Law does not equal safe. You are deluded if you honestly think that. Go smoke some cigarettes and drink some alcohol.

 

[Az.]

I highly doubt many ebikes are actually running at 250W anyway regardless of what the sticker states on the motor. Most of them imo are already illegal by your standards so it's a good job you lot are the only ones who care so much or all of our bikes would be impounded I guess.

Pretty much almost all e-bikes use more than 250W. They do it legally as power is not limited by law at all.
Ignorance is not an excuse in court. It is your responsibility to make sure your bike is legal.

 

[Veganarchy Zetetic]

Pretty much almost all e-bikes use more than 250W. They do it legally as power is not limited by law at all.
Ignorance is not an excuse in court. It is your responsibility to make sure your bike is legal.

So you are saying I should get a 250W motor and put 1000W through it instead because thats legal?

 

[Az.]

So you are saying I should get a 250W motor and put 1000W through it instead because thats legal?

I didn't suggest that, but yes, it would be legal. Taking 1000W motor and running it at 250W would be illegal. Silly, but it is the law.

 

[Veganarchy Zetetic]

I didn't suggest that, but yes, it would be legal. Taking 1000W motor and running it at 250W would be illegal. Silly, but it is the law.

I watched a video by Dudestuff recently, he used a 52V battery with 2000W controller on a 250W motor and got 30 mph out of it! If that is legal then I highly doubt it is any safer than my 1000W motor running at 250W current even if both were limited to 15mph but hey. The law can't possibly ever be wrong so I will go do that instead...

 

[Az.]

I watched a video by Dudestuff recently, he used a 52V battery with 2000W controller on a 250W motor and got 30 mph out of it! If that is legal then I highly doubt it is any safer than my 1000W motor running at 250W current even if both were limited to 15mph but hey. The law can't possibly ever be wrong so I will go do that instead...

52V battery is illegal as far as I remember. Motor must stop assisting above 15.5mph, so bike you were watching was illegal.

 

[saneagle]

That's fine but I did not break any rules. I followed the exact information written on the official government website and I bought a bike that is stated to be legal from the business that sold me the bike. I have purchased dual power bikes a decade ago and the companies are still selling the same bikes now. They have not been shut down by the law for selling illegal bikes. Pretty certain they never will.

I did everything in my power to follow these ridiculous laws. If anyone made any mistake then its the company who sold me the bike and the government for (in your opinion) making mistakes on the website.

Maybe you should all start putting your efforts into taking down the ebike companies and the government for their mistakes instead of nitpicking at people like me for doing everything in their power to follow these asinine laws.

As I said, it's not for me to judge, nor interfere. I provide information and advice without obligation and free of charge.

You didn't follow the information on the government website. It says maximum output power of 250w. Your bike has always exceeded that. 250w output would be around 12 amps at 24v, 8 amps at 36v or 7 amps at 48v. I've only ever seen two controllers in 14 years set that low, and they were useless.

 

[Veganarchy Zetetic]

52V battery is illegal as far as I remember. Motor must stop assisting above 15.5mph, so bike you were watching was illegal.

Yep so 48V battery and 2000W controller limited to 15mph and we are all set by law

You do realise how many laws we all break on a daily bases without realising it right? I do hope you have all studied every single law and are being responsible...

 

[piratepete]

Law does not equal safe. You are deluded if you honestly think that. Go smoke some cigarettes and drink some alcohol.

I'm not sure if you are replying to the right person, but I never said legal = safe and illegal = unsafe.

 

[Veganarchy Zetetic]

As I said, it's not for me to judge, nor interfere. I provide information and advice without obligation and free of charge.

You didn't follow the information on the government website. It says maximum output power of 250w. Your bike has always exceeded that. 250w output would be around 12 amps at 24v, 8 amps at 36v or 7 amps at 48v. I've only ever seen two controllers in 14 years set that low, and they were useless.

I followed the information from the site that has been selling these bikes for nearly half a decade now. It states -

'In simple terms, the bikes default setting is 250 watts and maxes out at 15.5mph, however, this gem is fitted with a button for off roading (with land owners permission) which converts it to 1000w capacity.'

That is good enough for me.

 

[saneagle]

I watched a video by Dudestuff recently, he used a 52V battery with 2000W controller on a 250W motor and got 30 mph out of it! If that is legal then I highly doubt it is any safer than my 1000W motor running at 250W current even if both were limited to 15mph but hey. The law can't possibly ever be wrong so I will go do that instead...

52v is illegal. The standard only allows up to 48v. 30 mph is also illegal.

There is no such thing as 250w current. You have never run your bike at 250w. If you had, it would be completely useless, you'd chuck it and get something that works. Please explain exactly what you have done that you think runs it at 250w.

 

[Veganarchy Zetetic]

I'm not sure if you are replying to the right person, but I never said legal = safe and illegal = unsafe.

You said "Or you could choose to put around 800W through a 250W rated motor like most of us here and be perfectly legal and safe."

This may be perfectly legal but safety is up to the rider, not the law.

 

[danielrlee]

I followed the information from the site that has been selling these bikes for nearly half a decade now. It states -

'In simple terms, the bikes default setting is 250 watts and maxes out at 15.5mph, however, this gem is fitted with a button for off roading (with land owners permission) which converts it to 1000w capacity.'

That is good enough for me.

...But not good enough for conforming with UK law:

“Off road” assistance

EAPC standards and legal requirements

www.gov.uk

 

[Veganarchy Zetetic]

52v is illegal. The standard only allows up to 48v. 30 mph is also illegal.

There is no such thing as 250w current. You have never run your bike at 250w. If you had, it would be completely useless, you'd chuck it and get something that works. Please explain exactly what you have done that you think runs it at 250w.

I have not done anything lol

It is the same factory setting by Merkybikes. It just has a switch for dual power. One runs really slow and sluggish and the other is set to 1000W. You would have to ask them I guess.

 

[Az.]

Yep so 48V battery and 2000W controller limited to 15mph and we are all set by law

I don't understand why are you trying to be sarcastic. May I remind you, it is you who has problems with e-bikes. I love mine. I have as much power as I need and I have it legally. I don't have to look behind my shoulder or be afraid I might loose my driving license or even a home.
Why would I make my life more difficult? If you want to be a rebel without a cause then be my guest. It is your choice.

 

[saneagle]

I followed the information from the site that has been selling these bikes for nearly half a decade now. It states -

'In simple terms, the bikes default setting is 250 watts and maxes out at 15.5mph, however, this gem is fitted with a button for off roading (with land owners permission) which converts it to 1000w capacity.'

That is good enough for me.

Off-road buttons are specifically mentioned as being illegal on the government website.