Man charged after Glasgow cyclist dies in fatal Broomielaw crash seven months ago

flecc

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"Drivers who kill pedestrians, cyclists or motorcyclists on Scotland's roads are likely to receive tougher sentences under new guidance for judges."
But just compare the three statements below:

Robyn Fryar was walking home when she was knocked down and killed by a 20-year-old drink-driver.

"Drivers who kill pedestrians, cyclists or motorcyclists on Scotland's roads are likely to receive tougher sentences under new guidance for judges. The guidelines would see taking the life of a vulnerable road user as an "aggravating factor" when sentencing."

"A new sentencing guideline which make rehabilitation rather than punishment a primary consideration when sentencing young offenders has come into force. Last year the the Scottish Sentencing Council recommended an "individualistic approach" for under 25s which takes into account their life experiences. It argued that the proposed changes would help reduce reoffending. The council said its decision was based on scientific evidence that the brain is not fully developed below that age."

So a tougher sentence for killing, but then suspending it because his brain wasn't fully developed?!
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Yes, the SNP have been smoking the rest of the 'evidence' for years now...

The whole thing is frankly depressing, SNP are corrupt, charges pending. Scottish Labour, well been dead in Scotland since Brown betrayed Indy vote. Torries? lol... Greens enjoy ******* with the council however they live in the world-of-make-believe...and will shortly I think be out on their @rse

Hell and a hand basket....
 

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I was in court maybe 18months ago (as a member of the public to give support to a friend who was witness, benches are public anyone can attend as long as there is space).

Kid on trial before ours was called (we were up the back) he had shortly turned 18 I think, he was being tried as an adult. It was quite a visceral experience knowing that the fate and potential life changing outcomes were in the hands of some old ******. The old guy game him a chance despite a record, he saw no benefit of locking up to be institutionalised and got that some kids have had ** lifes for many complex reasons.

Kids (and probably under 25 year old isn't that bad an approximation really for the transition from kid -> adult)

I think many late 20s are still kids...

If you 15mins free this is worth a watch...'She's a kid!'
So a tougher sentence for killing, but then suspending it because his brain wasn't fully developed?!
Maybe, yes.
 

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The argument that the brain is not fully developed below the age of 25 seems to be at odds with the devolved government's desire to reduce the age for standing for election to 16. There must be, I assume, sound reasoning behind this but it did strike me as somewhat incongruous.
 
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flecc

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Kids (and probably under 25 year old isn't that bad an approximation really for the transition from kid -> adult)

I think many late 20s are still kids...

Maybe, yes.
I agree, I'm all for far lighter sentences all round. I wasn't posting critically, just illustrating what a state of confusion our society is in with punishment.

All because in punishing crime, too often it's the symptoms getting punished, rather than removing the original causes.
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The argument that the brain is not fully developed below the age of 25 seems to be at odds with the devolved government's desire to reduce the age for standing for election to 16. There must be, I assume, sound reasoning behind this but it did strike me as somewhat incongruous.
The young are easier to deceive, and they know if they get them young, they'll likely have them for life. Going out on missions to preach and campaign, cements faith in young Mormons the same way. Young zealots are persistant.
 
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