Major incident declared at London Luton airport after huge fire breaks out
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from the linked to article above:
In Australia:
there was a 0.0012% chance of a passenger electric vehicle battery catching fire, compared with a 0.1% chance for internal combustion engine cars.
That's 83 times in favour of EVs.
In Australia:
there was a 0.0012% chance of a passenger electric vehicle battery catching fire, compared with a 0.1% chance for internal combustion engine cars.
That's 83 times in favour of EVs.
I read that, interesting.
There will be those that will believe the Guardian report is all part of a cover up ...................
That article is completely fake, and they're misrepresenting data, like always. The causes of most car fires are independent of the type of power train, so the number of fires should be approximately the same in each.
Also, they don't take in account the severity of the fires. Most IC car fires are electrical, which can be dealt with by a typical in-car fire extinguisher if the driver had one and the gumption to use it.
Most IC cars are older and often modified or adjusted by the owners or repairers, by misrouting wires after repair and adding electrical accessories, and overloading systems with poorly thought out accessories.
Arson is one of the top causes. How can that be 83 times less on electric cars?
There are many times more IC cars on the road, so, all other things being equal, you'd expect more to be set on fire by arsonists, catch fire when wires short out during a crash and have manufacturing faults.
In other words, it's very disingenuous to say or imply that electric cars are safer because not so many catch fire. That's like saying that it's safer to play with a hand grenade in your house than a scented candle because scented candles do 1000 times more damage to houses than hand grenades.
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The article did recognise that the figures don't distinguish arson from other causes. However, the comparison points pretty much in favour of EVs to a ratio of 3-4 times less risky than ICEs. On the risk of dying in a burning car, EVs score even better compared to ICE.
Sooner or later, we'll have to stop burning fossil fuel so the ICE cars will need to be replaced. It's just when not if. The main issue is fire fighters can't just drown the burning EVs with water so there will be demand for specialist fire fighters.
Here's something else to think about. There are 33 million cars on the road in UK of which 2.3 million are EVs. That's about 7%. About 1500 cars burned in Luton Airport, so that would be around 104 EVs. Actually, I'd expect a higher concentration of EVs in an airport because of the higher proportion of business users, lease cars and higher affluence, so I'd be happy to estimate 200 were EVs. How many of them were recorded in the national statistics? Did that incident go down as an airport fire, 1500 cars burnt because of a single EV fire or 1500 individual car fires? The same can be said about that boat with 3500 burning EVs, the various car transporters that got wiped out on the motorways and the bus station full of electric buses that went up in smoke. None of that seems to tie up with the 239 reported EV car fires in UK during the last 12 months.
there weren't people in the EVs that burned on the boat or at the airport parking so it's normal that they don't count.
Using the correct figures helps.
As at the end of October 2023 there were 920,000 BEVs in the UK, plus 560,000 plug-in Hybrids, much lower risk with very much smaller and lower stressed batteries.
That's 2.79% BEV, or 4.48% including plug-in hybrids, so on average there would have been around 42 full BEVs in that Luton car park, still only 67 if the very low risk hybrids were included.
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You're out of date, and so is Google. It's 2.3 million according to DVLA, and that's end of 2022. It's even higher now. If you extrapolate, it's around 3.1 million.
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A very quick Google search easily gets to 20 EVs burnt out on car transporters in the last 12 months. That's just one minute of skipping through what it shows, then there's the fires not reported and the rest that I didn't see in the one minute. None of which are included in the car fire statistics. If you were to use Flecc's figures, that would be 0.002%, which is nearly double Woosh's 0.0012% before you start counting the cars that people actually bought. Your data doesn't pass the plausibilty test- a bit like covid deaths and vaccine injuries.
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The cited statistics were on Australia's EVs. As far as I can see, most of us would drive an EV 10 years from now. Most EVs will by then have some self driving capability thrown in. Huawei owns a car subsidiary. They have just announced a high spec electric car with 100kwh battery, with some self driving, 800km range, 35,000 USD. This car uses a new battery which has same energy density as lithium-ion but as safe and as cheap to make as LFP plus you can charge to 100% using 800V charger in just 20 minutes. Would you buy that or a Ford focus?
Fire fighters would need specialist training but accidents will be fewer overall.
Fire fighters would need specialist training but accidents will be fewer overall.
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Yes but thats going downhill, on freshly laid asphalt,with a tailwind, a 4'7" driver, no passengers or luggage, and if you switch on either the heating or the radio, that drops the range down to 76km.
No, I'm not out of date, you have your facts wrong, reporting on all registered plug in vehicles.You're out of date, and so is Google. It's 2.3 million according to DVLA, and that's end of 2022. It's even higher now. If you extrapolate, it's around 3.1 million.
Vehicle licensing statistics data tables
Detailed statistics about vehicle licensing and registered vehicles in the United Kingdom.www.gov.uk
Electric Vehicle Statistics: State of the Industry | The Eco Experts
We've got everything you need to know about electric vehicles, from their driving ranges to how much money they'll save you.
This discussion is abut car parks and cars parked in them and the figures I gave were accurate as at 24 days ago.
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In that case, the denominator decreases, so the percentage of EV cars that catch fire is even higher, not lower!No, I'm not out of date, you have your facts wrong, reporting on all registered plug in vehicles.
This discussion is abut car parks and cars parked in them and the figures I gave were accurate as at 24 days ago.
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