Looking for something with a bit more 'oomph' :)

eddieo

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jkirkebo

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I would take a good look at the rear Ezee kit that ebikes.ca offers. I converted my full suspension Giant NRS2 with it. With a 48V battery and the 20 amp controller you'll get ~1000W peak through a geared hub motor.

The Ezee hub motor can take a 9 speed freewheel and is disc brake compatible. I had to switch to a larger diameter disc and use an andapter though, as 165mm discs won't clear the hub with most calipers.

I built a triangular battery myself, 48.1V nominal, 9.9Ah, from 117 round 18650 Konion cells (taken from Bosch FatPacks). The battery is mounted in a custom made frame bag from Epic Designs. Quite stealthy ;)

You can get front hub motors that are disc brake compatibe too (the Ezee is) but a heavy front wheel is no good off-road...

Also, ebikes.ca's customer support is top notch. You'll get all the technical support you'll ever need from Justin. They're even building a custom DC-DC converter (20V/2A) for me so I can run my TrailTech 30W HID spot from the main battery.
 

Andrew harvey

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The 1000w at 48v claimed with the Ezee kit is power consumption not output.
Typically you can knock 30% off.
I've just checked on the E-bike.ca simulator, they show 700w peak for the Ezee but only 600w for the 408 Crystalyte, both at 48v.
When I got hold of my first batch of Crystalyte motors I went to the trouble of plotting power curves for them, they pretty much matched the makers claims. I did the same with my first SB motor, this was before E-bike.ca's simulator was produced.

Memran if you want to do 20mph forget the 409 it's only good for about 16 flat out, the no load speed is around the 18mph mark at 36v. I haven't got my old graphs and result sheets, I moved office about 10 years ago and I cann't find them. so I'm going from memory a bit.
The 4011 produced 220w peak with over 200w output from 5 to 10 mph.
The 409 produced about 320w peak, with 200w available from around 5 to 12 mph.
The 408 was the surprise it peaked at something like 380w at 13 mph but had 200w from 4 to 20mph,
The SB motor I had was a 20" motor in a 700c wheel it's peak out put was just under 500w at 16 mph, it had 200w from 4 to 20mph, on the same bike with the same battery and tyres it was slower by around 2 mph than the 408 and had a noticeably shorter range, but it seemed to climb shallow hills faster.

If you want to go fast the 409 will disappoint, but even with it's low power it will still boost you up the hills, I have towed my two kids with one up some steep bits without much problem.

With your frame I would recommend putting the battery in a rucksack, below your frame it's going to be a little vulnerable, it works for Steve.
 

Northern Irelander

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Is the paratrooper the ugliest electric mountain bike out there?? :)
I think they look the business, esp the swiss with matt black frame.

simple, functional what more do we need.

Biggest thing stopping me buying a trooper is you have to remove the front wheel, not exactly refined for a folder in that price bracket.
 

jkirkebo

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The 1000w at 48v claimed with the Ezee kit is power consumption not output.
Typically you can knock 30% off.
I've just checked on the E-bike.ca simulator, they show 700w peak for the Ezee but only 600w for the 408 Crystalyte, both at 48v.

Memran if you want to do 20mph forget the 409 it's only good for about 16 flat out, the no load speed is around the 18mph mark at 36v.
Sure, it's consumption. If 700W is not enough, get the Infineon controller which is limited at 28A. Then you'll be over 1000W net.

I have the Infineon (peak 1400W), top speed is just below 30 mph.
 

piotrmacheta

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I went for the Ezee kit on my Specialized Epic full sus mountain bike and it's brilliant off road. I have it on the front and as mentioned by someone recently it was very useful in the snow (2 wheel drive works!). I have a 185mm disc brake on the front as well. I changed the controller to a 48v one and made my own NiMH battery pack (6 Ahr at 4.5kg) - get over 20mph and 12 mile range - enough for my needs to work off-road. Pulls 1200W peak and 24 amps so i't a very good hub.
The bike is brill for general tracks and goes up really steep hills (spins up the wheel very easily on the loose stuff). I carry the battery in my rucksack for the very bumpy stuff.
I would really reccommend the Ezee - £250 for the wheel and hub. For the 20+mph you will need to mod it.
 

daniel.weck

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Otherwise, the Puma offers decent high-output:

Der Umbausatz

MONTAGUE FOLDING BIKES from Team Hybrid. Puma Hub Kits



I've heard good reports about the BMC solution as well:

BMC Hub Motor - Google Search

Lots of options after all :)

Cheers, Dan

You should probably look into the Suzhou Bafang BPM hub motor, the torque and speed characteristics would meet your requirements it seems (350W nominal or less, depending on input current).

YouTube - BAFANG BPM 350W36V Elektrofahrrad Umbau von RFTEC E-Bike

CLIMBER——bpm series -Suzhou Bafang Electric Motor Science-Technology Co.,Ltd

Bafang BPM - Google Search



 

daniel.weck

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Memran

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Update!

I have decided to go with the disk brake version of the 409 (more torque but lower speed) kit that I listed earlier, but with the controller upgraded to 20A instead of 12A.

Ordered and awaiting delivery! :D

Wow I feel like a child awaiting gifts before Christmas! lol
 

Memran

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There's been about 16 emails going back and forth today (while I was at work :)) with lots of info I needed. They're really quite helpful :)