London E-bike owners needed!

[flecc]

So i'd guess more accident in general for men.

That's to be expected, over three quarters of the commuting cyclists are men.
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[flecc]

Gilligan is desperate to “de-Lycrafy” cycling in London: “It’s too male, too young and too middle class. The key to broadening its appeal ultimately is segregated lanes and quiet roads.” Mr Gilligan is clearly calling for infrastructure improvements and it appears that the cycle protest at Banks supports this as does the London Cycling Campaign website. There appears to be calls all over London for more safe cycling space, another being Quietway 2, no doubt lots more. Even setting aside the statistics the Dutch pattern is just so much more pleasant in every respect. So I still stand by my original point that infrastructure improvement is needed rather than a special bike for London.

Gilligan is absolutely right about the current image ofLondon cycling, and I'd extend that to all of the country. Cycling needs to get back to being transport for all, not just the pseudo-sport style pursuit it's sadly become in Britain since 1980.

Of course I agree that far better infrastructure is needed, but as a solution to the deaths I was campaigning about it takes far too long. The Dutch started their infrastructure improvement in the early 1970s and admit that still have along way to go to complete it. Heaen knows how long it would take in Britain. So back to my original point, slashing the accidents and stopping the deaths has to be done by all of us meanwhile. We just can't wait for very long term partial solutions, reducing but not stopping the accidents through bringing their own problems.

It's a matter of getting our priorities right, dealing with immediate matters now while backing that up with the longer term measures.
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[Lancslass]

This we know is definitely not true. If you think back to last year's posts on this subject, you'll remember that the victims were crushed by being in the unsighted l/h blind area, the truck drivers unable to see the bike and rider. It was the cause of every bike/truck death and has been for a long time.

It's been by riders finally learning not to be in that area at junctions that the deaths have ceased. The repeater indicators, warning buzzers and warning notices along the sides of London's trucks have assisted the riders to observe that simple safety measure.
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I was reading through this thread and was going to post about this type of accident in London, as I suspect that publicity maybe mid way through last year may have had an impact on the accident rate for cyclists.
I seem to recall that there was a lot of press about lorries being unsighted and advice to London cyclists about staying clear of the blind area at the sides of trucks, following some cyclist's deaths that were similar in nature. I'm agree with you Flecc, that this will have contributed to the drop in cyclist's deaths.

 

[flecc]

I was reading through this thread and was going to post about this type of accident in London, as I suspect that publicity maybe mid way through last year may have had an impact on the accident rate for cyclists.

It's actually been a long term campaign but it 's taken a long time to sink in sufficiently. TfL first raised the issues and focused on the large imbalance of female deaths several years ago in a particularly bad year. The BBC and Evening Standard newspaper both highlighted the problem over four years ago and this is the fourth year of my raising it in this forum. Back in 2013/2014 the BBC again raised it several times in London focused programs and London ITV had a half hour peak time program about it, which included a reconstruction of the typical type of accident, demonstrated by a cyclist and a construction truck.

Then in 2014/2015 TfL held a few events with numbers of cyclists and truck drivers putting each into each other's shoes. The drivers learnt more about the cyclists problems but in particular the cyclists were invariably shocked by how limited the visibility was for a truck driver and by how many bikes could sit in the blind spots all around a high cab truck.

From 2013 to date many additions have been made to trucks operating in London, including additional mirrors, repeat indicators and warning notices along the side of the trucks, warning buzzers or voice messages operating with the indicators, and a warning notice at the rear of many trucks to warn cyclists about the danger zone.

It's been the totality of all these that have produced the 100% improvement in the last seven months and the point of my raising the issue once more here was to ensure it stays in everyone's mind so that this good behaviour and outcome continues.
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